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Old 12-19-2002, 08:27 AM   #29
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Jim,

Thank you for your comments on our Minuet. My wife and I really love her. As for off the road, we have done a little dry camping with it. I sure does help being only 20 feet when you get off road!

I'm curious about your "frame separation" issue. I haven't noticed any problems with ours, but would like to know as much as possible, just incase. Would you be willing to elaborate? I'm interested in what you've got to say.

Thanks for your time.

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Old 12-19-2002, 11:25 AM   #30
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Separation issue

Hi Michael - I notice Barbwire hasn't had a chance to respond yet regarding the backend separation problem. I know he will, meanwhile, I thought I would give you some food for thought on a thread that talked about the subject in some detail. I tried to connect it here, but haven't gotten the hang of how to do that yet, so the thread is called "Saggy Bottom". I understand that it is suppose to be more prevalent in longer units, but of course if a lot of weight has been added to the back of a trailer, I guess any of them are prone. My personal feeling is that too much added weight and vibration are the major cause, but there is much to be said for the other discussions on reasons why. Hope that the thread gives you some insight and I also would love to hear Barbwire's comments and repair tips. Happy Holidays, Leigh
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Saggy Bottom

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Click the 'http://' button above the message window.

First type the title or words that you want linked; hit return and in the next window paste the linked URL.

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Old 12-19-2002, 02:42 PM   #32
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Thanks John, I should print that out for future reference!!! Time saver for sure. Leigh
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Old 12-20-2002, 06:41 PM   #33
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Leigh,

I received your suggestion on the thread, which I will look into following this reply. Thanks for your help.

My Father-In-Law had a 31' rear bath, which was a concern for him knowing the problems others have had with the dreaded tail drooping syndrom. Luckly for him, he never had that problem and now has a 34' center bath with the tanks over the triple axles. (Pretty rough) Anyway, I thought that the frame separation issue was something else. I'll check out the thread you mentioned, but hopefully our friend responds with specific information on frame seperation. If necessary, I would like to know all I can to avoid any problems with our baby.

Again, thanks for your help Leigh.

Merry Christmas to you and your family!

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Old 12-22-2002, 06:50 AM   #34
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Hi Guys,

I have been busy with Christmas and all. You know how it goes.

I have been meaning to post an exploded view of a single axel trailer chassis. It is much newer than the Minuet, but it will give you the idea of how things fit together.

From my understanding frame seperation and sagging are two different things. Sagging will give wrinkles in the skin and I think it is caused by rusted out frames.

Seperation can be seen by standing on the rear bumper to one side. Does the bumper move away from the shell? Mine drops about a quarter of an inch. Mr. Burke says this is very mild, but unusual in such a short trailer. His Argosy had some seperation too, and he fixed it by taking off the bottom "orange" band above the bumper on the rear bottom of the trailer to get at the seperation, and shot a generous amount of Vulkem into the seperation area.

There is a PDF floating about somewhere that talks about repairing frame separation by cutting into the skin. According to Mr. Burke this is not necessary for the Argosy. Now this is all to my recollection and not a direct quote from Mr. Burke, and comes with the usual disclaimer- Use at your own risk.

The causes could be many. I may know more when I get that strip off. My Minuet had a spare tire mounted on the back for many years. Much a no-no from my browsing the forums. Rough roads are plenty around here too. From what I have read the Vulkem is incredible stuff, so things should be in top shape this spring.

It is too cold to work on the outside of the trailer now. 6*F this morning. I really don't have much more information at this time but will keep you all posted. Like the rest of you I have found an incredible number of things to learn. I will let you know when I get that chassis plan posted. Also if you find that PDF on frame seperation you will get the idea of how the u channel, floor, and frame are connected. I will look for that again too.

Thanks to all for sharing.

Merry Christmas everybody,

Jim
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I will be interested in how the floor is attached to the frame. Below is part of the repair for separation on an Airstream trailer. Apparently the floor is laid and the body sits flat on top of it. My Argosy motor floor slides into the channel. What I am wondering is the floor in channel a motor home thing or Argosy thing?

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John,

I think it is a Motorhome thing. All of the pictures of chassis off frame resto on the trailers, Airstream or Argosy, the shell is attached to the floor.

I would have to assume that the diffrence in the Motorhome is due to fact that it is considered a passenger vehicle and has to be stiffer??



Let me see if I understand what you are describing.

The plywood floor is cut to shape, the u-channel is slid on the edge and fastened covering the top and bottom edge of the floor. Then the shell is reattached to the u channel via rivets

How is the U channel held to the plywood? In the trailers it is bolted down as the picture you posted shows.

This is more a matter of curiosity, I am not planning on taking on a project of the size you have!
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Hi Guys,

I just posted a chassis exploded view for a Land Yacht in my Photo section. Charlie Burke faxed this to me after I talked to him about frame separation. It sure cleared up a lot of questions I had about the hidden structure of the trailers. He implied there is not much difference in the way most of the trailers are built.

Part # 20, the "Longitudinal tubing" may not be included in the Minuet.

Don't know a thing about Motor Homes.

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Brett

You got it right. There are a bunch of 1/2" wood screws through the top of the extrusion into the plywood and quite few self drilling-self tapping screws through the extrusion and plywood into the tube frame.

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Michael,

Great looking '66 Chevelle BTW. And some great photos on PBase. I have posted my crew members in "Photos" below. I had cookies disabled and could not post photos before.

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Barbwire,

Thanks for your follow-up. As you can see from our phots, we have the spare tire on the rear bumper. I just went out and tried the experement you suggested. No separation at all!!! I will keep an eye out from now on especially since we have weight on the bumper.

I took a look at your "crew." I love it! My wife and I, as you can tell by our photos, are dog lovers too. Life wouldn't be near as enjoyable without the companionship of our dogs. Our big dog sleeps in the truck at night and the other two sleep on either side of the dining table while we sleep on the gaucho. Perfect setup for the five of us.

Also, thank you for your compliments on our Chevelle and my photographs. I have so many hobbies, there just isn't enough time to enjoy them all fully. One of these years when I retire, I will spend the rest of my days playing every single day!!!

Merry Christmas to you and your family, (and crew of course).

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Minuet Front Window Rock Guards

I "chickened-out" and had my dealer modify the rock guard to fit my Minuet. The starting point was a standard three-piece rock guard assembly. Both of the wing windows are standardized between the Minuet and standard line coaches so that part of the guard didn't require any modification. The center section was where the modification was necessary - - it was cut down nearly 8" to fit the dimensions of the minuet. The photo below is of the completed assembly from the curbside:
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This photo illustrates the narrowed center section - - it is just under 8" narrower than it was when it began life:
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