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Old 08-27-2013, 11:56 PM   #15
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the trunk is not mounted on the bumper. it is a long welded extention to the bottom of the frame. there appears to be little warpage, and it has been across Canada several times. now the moisture in the front of the trailer is a whole different story, I will be diagnosing that till the cows come home.

going to look at a 1970's 23' safari tomorrow night. the only daunting thing is how heavy it is, over twice the weight of minuet. i don't think you can ever have too many airstreams, but we shall see what my husband says when we have half a dozen in the yard.
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:04 PM   #16
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Pop goes the rivet...

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong (I also know enough to know that I don't know crap). I can also ask for directions with no damage to my ego.

so after some reading on rear end sag (not talking about my rear end, but age has a significant sag factor in me too), I decided to do some testing.

the pictures show where the extention is heftily mounted by the axle. it is large and sturdy and extends to the trunk for some lovely storage. as you can see, the rivets are popping, but only on the door side (as far as I can tell, cant see behind the trunk). and some rivets in the front have let go also. I don't understand the cause of the front warpage (insert helpful hints). **I am familiar with pushing the limits of jeans can cause the rivets to pop off... but this is a new one for me**

we had one trip this year where we stressed the trailer, parking at a silly angle and literally rolling out of bed. **note to self, don't let some loud mouthed yahoo rattle you as you are finding most level parking spot**.

so my fall will be stripping and recaulking the front windows and all roof structures, and doing my best to get all the rivets replaced before the snow flies (not long as the geese are already heading south as we speak). and trying to convince my father that the minuet deserves inside winter storage (fingers crossed and big pouty face with sad eyes and protruding lower lip).

I think I should dub her "Pandora".
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:32 PM   #17
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I was losing rivets when I was over-hitched - I had a WD system with bars that were way too heavy for my lightweight trailer. I dropped the WD system (don't need it with my oversized tow vehicle) and haven't had to replace any rivets since.

We also had a bad axle that had no suspension left in it, so that was beating the heck out of the trailer, but I still lost rivets after replacing it, until we changed the hitch.
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Old 08-31-2013, 12:03 PM   #18
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thanks Stephanie...this is why I love this site, someone has dealt with the same issues and is willing to share advice.

I hauled the trailer the first couple of times without the WD bars, and it didn't tow super nice. it wiggled around behind me, and was especially bad going down a steep hill. the bars completely corrected the problem (though after more reading my hitch is too vertical, another factor to resolve). I feel much safer hauling with them on, instances like passing semi's on highways makes minuet wiggle. our tow vehicle is heavier (half-ton small engine truck) than a lot of other tow vehicles I have seen, but by no means is it overcompensating.

now as for the 1977 safari we looked at...
pros-
the interior is totally original, so needs some refreshing, but most everything is intact. looks harder to freshen up than the minuet, with more molded plastic and the roll style cupboards I don't care for.
-exterior skin is structurally sound (except for tear in bellypan by door) but clear coat is peeling and she desperately wants a polish.
-doors and windows all seal well and work, front window protective screen is on and tinted nicely.
-floor plan would allow kids their own bed, and mom and dad to sleep together again!

cons
-more than twice the weight of minuet, would need to upgrade to heftier truck.
-fresh water tank needs replacing, and all water lines (he has all new pex but has not installed)
-didn't check suspension, assume it needs some new life, along with electrical
-assume there is other issues a deeper inspection would reveal
-price...he wants the higher end price range, like if it was in perfect running order.

this one will require some thinking and planning if its going to happen (still have my eye on 1950's 22' if it ever comes for sale and would be my forever-stream). have to keep looking forward, that's good golf and good life skills.

the most shocking thing is that they have not opened the door, or been in it in over 5 years... I guess some folks like the idea of an airstream more than the adventure it brings.
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:32 PM   #19
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WBCCI virgins no more

Hauled down to southern Alberta this past weekend, sadly the last trip of the season (but first in years without the kids). Attended our first WBCCI gathering, and boy was it fun. We were the "fresh meat" and met tons of super cool new friends.

There was three mo-ho's which was amazing as we have never seen inside one in real life! some vintage models, some new ones, just like the members...

A barn provided the best theatre (hay bail seating) for a local drama troop to host a murder-mystery live performance. A pig roast dinner, and pot luck, with silent auction for local cause. Successful event in every respect. Look forward to many more gatherings, and am super excited for the white glove formal in the spring (have ball gown, white fur cape and matching muff, just need to shine up my tiara).

So Pandora is all put away for the winter...and we have made the decision to paint her this coming spring. Some indoor heated storage will allow me to get her all ready without interfering with camping season.

Happy trails
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Greetings Janel.P.

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thanks Stephanie...this is why I love this site, someone has dealt with the same issues and is willing to share advice.

I hauled the trailer the first couple of times without the WD bars, and it didn't tow super nice. it wiggled around behind me, and was especially bad going down a steep hill. the bars completely corrected the problem (though after more reading my hitch is too vertical, another factor to resolve). I feel much safer hauling with them on, instances like passing semi's on highways makes minuet wiggle. our tow vehicle is heavier (half-ton small engine truck) than a lot of other tow vehicles I have seen, but by no means is it overcompensating.
When I first saw the photos of the storage locker on the rear of your Minuet, I had concerns about several issues. One of those concerns was about a "teeter-totter" effect with the axle becoming a fulcrum. I suspect that your exterior popped rivets may have something to do with this, particularly on undulating road surfaces. My '78 6.0 Metre Minuet when loaded for a vacation typically weighs in at 3,100 pounds with 550 to 575 pounds on the tongue. That rear mounted "trunk" is likely leaving you with less than 300 pounds on the hitch which would explain stability issues as well as "teeter-totter" effect causing unexpected stresses on the exterior rivets.

Another concern would be overloading the axle. The axles on our 6.0 Metre Minuets were factory rated at 2,800 pounds with the presumption that the hitch would carry 450 pounds. My fear is that the addition of the rear storage container likely has overloaded your coach's axle (assuming that the previous owner who made the modification didn't upgrade the factory OEM axle). I suspect that you may find a few surprises if you take your Minuet to the scales for weighing when you have it loaded for a typical trip . . . anything more than 3,250 pounds total or more than 2,800 pounds on the axle would be cause for concern as would less than 12% to 15% of the Minuet's weight on the tongue.

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now as for the 1977 safari we looked at...
pros-
the interior is totally original, so needs some refreshing, but most everything is intact. looks harder to freshen up than the minuet, with more molded plastic and the roll style cupboards I don't care for.
-exterior skin is structurally sound (except for tear in bellypan by door) but clear coat is peeling and she desperately wants a polish.
-doors and windows all seal well and work, front window protective screen is on and tinted nicely.
-floor plan would allow kids their own bed, and mom and dad to sleep together again!
Actually, a coach that is more original is likely to have fewer previous owner additions that might change the balance and overall weight of the coach. From the factory, there are very few Airstreams or Argosys that have balance or weight problems . . . but when modifications are performed without consideration for adding weight or changing balance the end result can be a coach with modification created instability.

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cons
-more than twice the weight of minuet, would need to upgrade to heftier truck.
-fresh water tank needs replacing, and all water lines (he has all new pex but has not installed)
-didn't check suspension, assume it needs some new life, along with electrical
-assume there is other issues a deeper inspection would reveal
-price...he wants the higher end price range, like if it was in perfect running order.
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the Safari in question is twice the weight of your Minuet. Without having the weight slips for your Minuet with its modifications makes comparison difficult. I suspect the extra weight of the rear trunk addition would make the two coaches much closer in weight than you might suspect. You might also gain in stability if the Safari is a tandem rather than the Minuet's single axle (I don't remember precisely when the Safari became tandem axle, but I believe it was a tandem axle coach by 1977).

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this one will require some thinking and planning if its going to happen (still have my eye on 1950's 22' if it ever comes for sale and would be my forever-stream). have to keep looking forward, that's good golf and good life skills.

the most shocking thing is that they have not opened the door, or been in it in over 5 years... I guess some folks like the idea of an airstream more than the adventure it brings.
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If the 1977 Safari is a tandem axle coach, it would likely be more forgiving of modifications than a single axle coach where the available carrying capacity is often less . . . sometimes significantly less.

Good luck with your investigation!

Kevin

P.S.: You may have had a bit of good fortune if your 1979 6.0 Metre Minuet has the composite aluminum floors as they are very rot resistant, but do limit your selection of flooring materials.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:36 AM   #21
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At what point, do you know if something is making you stronger or killing you?
Argosy spent the winter in my thoughts, and on a few pots too.
With the simplest intentions of replacing the counter top and looking into a soft spot, i accidentally turned my argosy inside out. This project is daunting & exhilarating & heartbreaking & empowering all wrapped up in an lumpy aluminum skin. And i wouldnt trade it for anything else.
Again... killing me, or making me stronger?
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:05 PM   #22
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Let's vote for stronger! By the way, the new axle I got for the Minuet is 3500# rating and we had the angle on the arms increased so the rig rides higher. I blame the PO towing with a bad axle for the cracks in the interior end caps, but I had no rivets pop.
I, too, worry about that storage box and its effect on the towing dynamics. The frame addition may be strong, but that also increases the rear weight loading over and above whatever you have in the storage box. I doubt any strengthening was done to the frame in front of the axle so it is getting extra stress from the cantilevered storage box. When the box goes down, it unloads the front of the frame and the hitch. When the box goes up, it loads the front frame and hitch. The axle is a fulcrum. These frames are not real beefy and they flex more than you believe.
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Old 06-12-2015, 11:21 AM   #23
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Yes, i do believe the above mentioned is the cause of front rivit pops. Will also tackle the axle height and raise it for more clearance.
The more i dig, the more i find. Its like a scavenger hunt where your reward is labor. But truly a labor of love. After 35 years a little cosmetic surgery is no shock. Todays task, a tummy tuck. Welding some busted joints and reinforcing others. Cost? Flat of beer. Gotta love hard workin, hard drinkin tradesmen.
Please someone point me in the direction of a gaucho repair post. It fell apart upon removal, and i would like to find a better solution.
This daunting project has not reduced me to tears, but has reduced me to many beers. Like another serious drinker once said..."never surrender".
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Is the gaucho aluminum frame or wood frame? The gaucho in my '78 is aluminum frame with some welded joints and some pop rivet/screw joints. Wood frame gauchos can be built. Look through Vintage Airstream - Airstream Trailer Resource for plans for gauchos.
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At what point, do you know if something is making you stronger or killing you?

Argosy spent the winter in my thoughts, and on a few pots too.

With the simplest intentions of replacing the counter top and looking into a soft spot, i accidentally turned my argosy inside out. This project is daunting & exhilarating & heartbreaking & empowering all wrapped up in an lumpy aluminum skin. And i wouldnt trade it for anything else.

Again... killing me, or making me stronger?

Did you make that bowl? DW is a potter and has made some wonderful pieces for our trailer - I really like this one!!

Oh - and your Arggggggosy is awesome!! Love it! Can't tell though - how was that frame extended to hold a trunk? Very interesting!!
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I made the bowl, i like to bring things to give away (why i will never be rich, except in the bank of karma) at airstream gatherings. It is an image transfer technique called lithography. Uses any photocopied image, like photos and kids drawings etc. I love the slightly imperfect image.

The trunk is mounted to the underside of the frame at rear, extending all the way to the axle. There is no separation in the rear end of the trailer. I keep checking, as everyone says its a no-no. But the back looks great. It is the reason for the separation at the front though.

Will post some pics when there is something more interesting than welding, frame and floor repair.
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At what point, do you know if something is making you stronger or killing you?
Argosy spent the winter in my thoughts, and on a few pots too.
With the simplest intentions of replacing the counter top and looking into a soft spot, i accidentally turned my argosy inside out. This project is daunting & exhilarating & heartbreaking & empowering all wrapped up in an lumpy aluminum skin. And i wouldnt trade it for anything else.
Again... killing me, or making me stronger?
I know nothing of what you are doing with your Argosy, but my thought on struggles is this.....if you are thoughtfully moving in a positive direction, even thru baby steps, that generates inner strength and is something to embrace and continue on with. If you remain thoughtful, and it is time to change direction, you will know.

I like your attitude.

Good luck to you, and keep the faith.


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I also like to make things and give them away at rallies, to friends, family, new acquaintances, etc.

I crochet, rather than make pots.

Cultivating a generous heart is a good thing.


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