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Old 11-06-2014, 11:57 PM   #15
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I will second the praise for Inca Plastics. Their selection is incredible. I found a new GW tank to fit the ARGOSY that fits under the counter where the furnace used to be. They put the holes right where I told them to.
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Old 11-16-2014, 04:58 PM   #16
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Hello,

I added new fresh, grey and black tanks under the floor of my 24'.
By selecting carefully I was able to get 50 gal tanks that fit perfectly between the frame rails and has 2" shoulders to allow easy support via 2x2 angles across the frame rails. I did have to move one crossmember but ended up with a much stronger setup.
The cost is losing the belly pan. Not the banana wraps, just the bottom skin.
Purists may shudder, but it's a compromise I'm very happy about.

A brief discussion of the tanks on my blog at,..
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I'll soon have video up of all the work to the coach.

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Old 11-16-2014, 07:14 PM   #17
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Hello,

I added new fresh, grey and black tanks under the floor of my 24'.
By selecting carefully I was able to get 50 gal tanks that fit perfectly between the frame rails and has 2" shoulders to allow easy support via 2x2 angles across the frame rails. I did have to move one crossmember but ended up with a much stronger setup.
The cost is losing the belly pan. Not the banana wraps, just the bottom skin.
Purists may shudder, but it's a compromise I'm very happy about.

A brief discussion of the tanks on my blog at,..
Travels with Geordie: Tankage

I'll soon have video up of all the work to the coach.

Peter
What provisions did you make to protect the tanks during freezing weather?

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Old 11-16-2014, 10:22 PM   #18
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It's interresting that you ask that.
I hadn't considered using the coach in freezing weather, but just today I'm considering a route to British Columbia that will put me in freezing conditions.
I'm in the midst of building a hot water space heating system that will use the hot water heater to drive both in floor radiant and heater cores.
I've dropped a loop of surgical rubber tubing into the fresh water tank to keep it thawed. I draw from this tank via a draw tube rather than a bottom fitting so as long as the tank is warm I'm safe.
The grey and black tanks are to risky as the dump pipes and valves would be too hard to guarantee safely warm so I'll use them sparingly with plenty of antifreeze until I get to balmy Victoria.

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Old 11-17-2014, 05:48 AM   #19
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Inland Andy asks the correct question. This cold wave has us at 5 degrees this morning. We Minnesotans are always thinking about heat! On my Trade Wind, I routed an under floor 4" duct to my insulated tank "box" so the tanks and valves receive warm air. I even routed a cold air return back to the furnace cabinet area so I didn't deadhead the furnace fan. This is the way my 86 is built. When the furnace runs, my tanks are warm.

Airstreams are built for 4 season camping. Water storage tanks are an important consideration.

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Old 11-17-2014, 07:37 AM   #20
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Inland Andy asks the correct question.

Airstreams are built for 4 season camping. Water storage tanks are an important consideration.

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What provision is there for the grey/black tanks for freezing conditions? I am not sure what modifications (if any) have/were made to our trailer but see no ducting through the floor to vent warm air to them. When I replaced the copper plumbing with pex, there was a length of copper running under the floor from one side to the other for the center bathroom. It had frozen. When I ran the Pex, I put it all above the floor. Its hard for me to see the meager amount of insulation in the belly pan doing enough to prevent a gray tank from freezing without putting a heat source into or around it.
Would Inca install plug in heaters similar to a water feeder? Just a thought. Would need to be too much of a draw on power would it?
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Old 11-17-2014, 08:31 AM   #21
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A$'s are not built for winter camping. Dry camping is about the only way to assure you won't freeze up when temps get below +15F.
Having shore power helps. Skirting the coach also helps.


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A$'s are not built for winter camping. Dry camping is about the only way to assure you won't freeze up when temps get below +15F.
Having shore power helps. Skirting the coach also helps.


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Shore power helps.

Skirting helps.

Running the furnace helps.

Running the AC on heat, does nothing to protect the water lines. Neither does electric heaters or catalytic heaters.

Warm air "MUST" be circulated by the furnace, as originally designed.

Over the course of 4 years, I was in many freezing area's.

Simply ran the furnace, on the road, dry camping or on city power.

Never had a freeze up even in almost zero degrees.

I can vouch for Airstream being a 4 seasons travel trailer.

Enjoying anything, is a personnal issue, and not everyone agrees about everything, not even money.

And so it is.

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Old 11-17-2014, 06:54 PM   #23
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Bex: My 86 has a furnace duct under the floor to the three water tanks and two dump valves under the floor. The box covers for these tanks is insulated, although not well (1" styrofoam) I installed a similar furnace duct in my 66 to heat the new water tanks and dump valves I installed under the floor. Have not tested the 66 in freezing temps yet.

Electric heaters wouldn't work without shore power. Propane forced air is the way to go.

You can always add a tank and opt not to heat it. Just don't camp in freezing weather, which isn't all that much fun anyways.

I think Airstreams are okay below freezing. I've been in my 86 several times below freezing. But my 86 would not be okay on a night like tonight where we will get below zero. Burrrrr!

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Old 11-18-2014, 06:31 AM   #24
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Warm air "MUST" be circulated by the furnace, as originally designed.


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On my 28 center bath, where would it have been ducted Andy?
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On my 28 center bath, where would it have been ducted Andy?
I do not know, but it will be similair to the post immediately above yours.

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Bex: My 86 has a furnace duct under the floor to the three water tanks and two dump valves under the floor. The box covers for these tanks is insulated, although not well (1" styrofoam) I installed a similar furnace duct in my 66 to heat the new water tanks and dump valves I installed under the floor. Have not tested the 66 in freezing temps yet.

Electric heaters wouldn't work without shore power. Propane forced air is the way to go.

You can always add a tank and opt not to heat it. Just don't camp in freezing weather, which isn't all that much fun anyways.

I think Airstreams are okay below freezing. I've been in my 86 several times below freezing. But my 86 would not be okay on a night like tonight where we will get below zero. Burrrrr!

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Is anything visible in the trailer? all my ducting is routed inside the trailer. Can't see anywhere that it might be vented into the bellypan.
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On my '74 Argosy 26'. There are 2 small flexible ducts. One goes under the tub, the other goes thru the floor near the grey water tank. The distributor box is under the curb side bed. Below the storage compartments.
If you have outside access for that area. You will see the the ducts.


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Bex, look at your furnace and count the ducts. Most have three or more attached to the furnace housing. See if you can find one that travels under the floor.

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