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12-21-2008, 11:44 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1978 Argosy 24
1977 Argosy 28
Vintage Kin Owner
Darrington
, Washington
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Difference of weight between Argosy & Airstream
I was looking at some old sales information about the Argosy 76/77. The 22 models were 34-3700 pounds and the 24' were 3610 pounds total weight. That is about 1,000 pounds lighter than the same airstreams. How did they remove the weight?
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12-21-2008, 11:46 AM
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Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
, ON
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Took out the excess profits?
(just kidding!)
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12-21-2008, 11:58 AM
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1972 Travelux Princess 25
Cobourg
, Ontario
Join Date: Oct 2008
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For a start I believe the Argosy is narrower than the Airstream. Plus they were sold as a lower cost, less lavishly equipped trailer.
If the appointments and accessories were lighter and the body was lighter then the running gear could be lighter too.
The advantages of simplicity and light weight.
What amazes me is how heavy the newer trailers are. But they are wider than the old ones and contain luxuries undreamed of in the 60s. Plus I think the designers assume everyone has a 3 ton 400HP SUV to pull them with so why worry about keeping weight down.
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12-21-2008, 01:03 PM
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2002 25' Safari
Dewey
, Arizona
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The weight is really not that far off. In 76 the Safari 23' was around 3400 and the 25' Trade Wind was around 4200. I am not sure what the listed dry weight was for the Argosy models.
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12-21-2008, 02:13 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
1964 26' Overlander
1977 25' Tradewind
Eastern
, Washington
Join Date: Jan 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buffaloman
I was looking at some old sales information about the Argosy 76/77. The 22 models were 34-3700 pounds and the 24' were 3610 pounds total weight. That is about 1,000 pounds lighter than the same airstreams. How did they remove the weight?
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We own a 77 20' Minuet and a 24' rear door. The Argosys were lighter due to the interior cabinetry. The cabinets ware made of aluminum skins not wood or particle board. The frames and shells are the same except for the end caps with are steel.The Minuet is narrower by 6" but the 24' is the same width as the older standard body trailer. I believe the wide body came out in the late 90's.
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Gary
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12-21-2008, 05:29 PM
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Just an old timer...
2004 22' Interstate
Tipton
, Iowa
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I also had a '77 Minuet for a short time that had plexiglas windows rather than glass. As Gary said, all of the furniture framing was lightweight aluminum rather than wood, and rather than using plywood or veneer, they used thin aluminum sheeting covered by wood-look contact paper. Some Minuets even had a composite aluminum honeycomb floor.
Argosy was the test bed for ideas before they got used on the silver trailers. That way, Airstream could figure out what worked and what didn't without compromising their flagship product.
Roger
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Former Airstreams: 1953 Flying Cloud, 1957 Overlander, 1961 Bambi, 1970 Safari Special, 1978 Argosy Minuet, 1985 325 Moho, 1994 Limited 34' Two-door, 1994 B190 "B-Van"
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12-21-2008, 06:43 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1978 Argosy 24
1977 Argosy 28
Vintage Kin Owner
Darrington
, Washington
Join Date: Oct 2008
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thanks for the insight. The use of aluminum cabinentry seems to reduce weight but not structural regidity. What do people think of the cabinetry?
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12-21-2008, 06:58 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
1964 26' Overlander
1977 25' Tradewind
Eastern
, Washington
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buffaloman
thanks for the insight. The use of aluminum cabinentry seems to reduce weight but not structural regidity. What do people think of the cabinetry?
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To raise a fire storm I like aluminum cabinets much better than particle board cabinets and less than quality all wood cabinets. I have yet to see quality cabinets in any trailer but ones installed by owners.
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12-21-2008, 07:30 PM
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Rivet Master
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Besides aluminum cabinet, and door frames.........
The Argosy panels and surfaces of the dinette , gaucho and walls are made with 1/4 inch ply ( something ) covered in fake ( vinyl? ) wood. I have been replacing mine with real 1/2 inch wood ply where possible. The dinette was especially flimsy.
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12-21-2008, 07:43 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1978 Argosy 30
Alvin
, Texas
Join Date: Aug 2008
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"Plus I think the designers assume everyone has a 3 ton 400HP SUV to pull them with "
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Uh oh mines's only 390
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12-21-2008, 09:39 PM
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Site Team
1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
OlyPen
, Washington
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mandolindave
The Argosy panels and surfaces of the dinette , gaucho and walls are made with 1/4 inch ply ( something ) covered in fake ( vinyl? ) wood. I have been replacing mine with real 1/2 inch wood ply where possible. The dinette was especially flimsy.
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I think it depends on the model and year. In our minuet there are no wood surfaces. It's all aluminum (some vinyl clad). Heck, even the floor is aluminum.
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12-22-2008, 08:21 AM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Currently Looking...
Las Cruces
, New Mexico
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I like the aluminum cabinetry in the Minuets. My only complaint is that Argosy wasn't always careful about having things at right angles and cut to correct size. Working with the metal is reasonably easy, however, so some of the shortcuts can be redone 'to spec'. I think it would be a good idea for those with aluminum floored Minuets to put in some kind of synthetic wood floor to distribute the load over the floor. Aluminum floors tend to dish over time. They don't spring back as plywood does.
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12-22-2008, 09:41 AM
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2 Rivet Member
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Auburn
, Washington
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The gospel according to my owner's manual, my '76 26 foot is 3830 bare boned, and 6200 GVWR.
Hope this helps.
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01-23-2009, 07:46 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1978 Argosy 24
1977 Argosy 28
Vintage Kin Owner
Darrington
, Washington
Join Date: Oct 2008
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I am looking at a 74 24' model in CA. I'll tell you how it turns out. frankly I am going forward to towing 1,000 pounds less. The particle board in my airstream is so dark. I am getting tired of it.
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01-23-2009, 07:54 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1974 Argosy 24
Science Hill
, Kentucky
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According to my manual our 74 Argosy 24ft twin bed is Factory weight 3610 and GVWR is 5800.
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