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Old 10-06-2007, 06:28 PM   #1
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Bathroom renovation - phase I

Liz and I tore the bathroom out of the '72 Argosy today. Our initial idea was just to get the black tank out, but we went one step beyond and took out the shower as well. There is a local shop (Dr. Gelcoat) who will be refinishing the sink, shower pan, and shower control console.

We didn't like what we found when we got the black tank out - a LOT of plywood damage. The black tank also has two pretty major splits on the bottom where the screws attach the dump valve assembly. The upper attachment point for the toilet flange is also broken, so the tank is pretty much toast. There is a crack in one corner of the shower pan, but the folks at Dr. Gelcoat can fix it good as new. I put up a bunch of pictures on my Flickr page so ya'll can see the extent of the damage to the plywood and the black tank.

After a lot of discussion, we've decided to forgo replacing the black tank, instead we are going to get a Thetford 465E electric flush Porta-Potti. The 465E has a 5 gallon waste tank (our black tank was only 10 gallons) and is the same height as a standard household toilet. The physical size of the 465E is perfect for this installation. We'll build a fixture to hold it in place when traveling so it won't be rattling around back there. I don't have any personal aversion to using or emptying the Porta-Potti (we have one with our Base Camp), and there are some real advantages for us to go that route.

My biggest problem is how to replace the damaged plywood. Can anyone suggest a good way to make those repairs?

BTW - When I was under the trailer disconnecting the shower trap, I discovered that I have some frame rot to repair (no pix). I'm going to have to replace the belly pan from the back of the wheel wells aft, so the frame repairs will happen when I pull all of that off.
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:34 PM   #2
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I'm sure that your floor can be replaced in a manner similar to vintage Airstreams' floors. Many threads here have the details. I'm about to face that problem myself on one of my vintage AS.

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Old 10-08-2007, 04:53 PM   #3
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Sorry, no pix this time...

I replaced a good portion of the floor in the bathroom today, NOT a fun job by any stretch of the imagination, but very satisfying now that it's done.

I'm beat...
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:18 PM   #5
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Plumbing is done!

I spent a portion of the weekend redoing the plumbing in the Argosy. I figured while the bathroom is out, it's the perfect time to update.

There was no main cut off valves for the hot or cold, so I added 1/2" ball valves, terminating them with 1/2" male thread connections. Next I made manifolds for both cold and hot water. The manifolds connect to the main shut off valves with braided stainless steel faucet connection hoses. Each manifold has connections (with their own ball shut off valves) for bathroom sink, shower, and the lines that run to the kitchen sink. I don't know who changed out the kitchen lines, but they are gray flexable plastic with 1/2" female pipe connections on the ends. I made some short 1/2" male to male connectors with copper fittings and short lengths of pipe to terminate those lines, and the kitchen lines now connect to the manifolds via reinforced 12" PVC sink connection lines. The next step is to mount the manifolds to a piece of plywood which will be mounted to the back wall, inside the back of the vanity (I'm making a new one this week).

I was rather pleased with myself when I put water in the tank and fired up the pump. After bleeding the air out of the system - NO LEAKS!

Liz found a real nice bathroom sink fixture at the local hardware store. We're now looking for a new kitchen faucet.
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I spent a portion of the weekend redoing the plumbing in the Argosy. I figured while the bathroom is out, it's the perfect time to update.

There was no main cut off valves for the hot or cold, so I added 1/2" ball valves, ...

Liz found a real nice bathroom sink fixture at the local hardware store. We're now looking for a new kitchen faucet.
Where are the pix? I'd like to see the sink, for sure.

I only use a cutoff valve for the toilet and the hot water heater. The toilet is so sensitive to freezing, that little plastic valve. I cut off the hot water heater so that I can prevent draining that 6 gallons when I feel like I have to drain the rest of the system when it's really cold at night.

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Where are the pix? I'd like to see the sink, for sure.

I only use a cutoff valve for the toilet and the hot water heater. The toilet is so sensitive to freezing, that little plastic valve. I cut off the hot water heater so that I can prevent draining that 6 gallons when I feel like I have to drain the rest of the system when it's really cold at night.

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The sink, shower pan, and shower console are at Dr. Gelcoat in Middletown, NJ getting a nice clean coat of white epoxy paint. I'll have pix up when I get the parts back.
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Old 10-23-2007, 06:32 AM   #8
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"Bathroom" is starting to become "trailer"...

We finished priming the inside of the trailer last night (needed a second coat in a couple of areas, a third in others). Glidden Gripper seems to work great over the vinyl coating on the walls, and it really covers the stains nicely on the endcaps.

After we yanked out the carpet and got rid of what seemed like 20 pounds of beach sand (a trip to Florida, without leaving home), we found more plywood that needed to be repaired. The area by the water pump was so rotted I could push a finger though the floor. Likewise, there was an area by the front door and fridge where the plywood was shot, and an area curbside under the front gaucho that needed some serious attention. With all of that fixed, we'll be putting a fresh coat of paint on the interior this weekend.

I cheated a little on the plywood repairs. After cutting away the rot and cleaning out the C channel, I cut some oversized pieces of 1/2" ply and screwed them under the floor around the areas of the hole, leaving a 3" or so ledge. I then cut and fit replacement floor, slipping it into the C channel and resting on the ledges, then screwing to down. It seems to be plenty strong. Any gaps were then filled with floor leveler compound.

We bought 3 sheets of 1/4" birch plywood at Home Depot as a new floor surface, as well as 4 boxes of Traffic Master Allure in light oak. With any luck, we'll have a floor by the end of next week, though I'm going to hold off if the shower and sink don't come back from Dr. Gelcoat by then. I really want to get the bathroom FINISHED before putting down the final flooring.

Liz has been making a list of my "winter projects", not the least of which will be making replacements for the plastic bins under the gauchos. We really don't trust them with heavy items (35 year old plastic), so I'll be firing up the table saw and making new drawers. I'll put them on proper glides while I'm at it. The furnace is also a winter project, as is some floor repair next to the furnace. I would have done that section with the rest of the floor repairs, but I didn't want to yank the furnace just yet and it's got to come out to fix the plywood.

Our kitchen backsplash is a rotted mess, so I ground off the screws coming through the top of the counter (they heads are under the cleat holding the countertop to the wall). We'll be using some 2" wide angle aluminum that will get sealed to the countertop and riveted to the wall as a backsplash. It should look fine.
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Old 10-23-2007, 08:31 AM   #9
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Wow! It sounds awesome!!! NICE work!

Will you come do ours next???

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Will you come do ours next???

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I'll do these a couple at a time with some explainations...

First pictures: This will give you an idea of how bad the plywood was under the black tank... It wasn't much better at the back of the shower either.
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Old 10-23-2007, 05:26 PM   #13
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Water supply manifolds...

The pix aren't great, but hey, I was hot and sweaty... The hot water manifold is upside down in this shot. Not my best soldering, but it doesn't leak!
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Rot by the door...

Liz shot these while I was getting ready to rip into the job. This is what greeted us when we pulled up the carpet...
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