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Old 05-02-2007, 09:29 AM   #15
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How do you check to see if the floor has rotted in a specific place. It has new vinyl. Would that need to be pulled up to check for rot? Can there be rot even when the floor feels very solid? Thanks.
Easiest way to check for floor rot is by poking the suspect area with an ice pick. The method and results should be self-evident. If the floor has wall-to-wall vinyl, you would need to roll it up if possible to get to the wood underneath.
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Old 05-02-2007, 09:36 AM   #16
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Sorry I meant to ask about the axles too. Someone told me you do not have to worry about the axles but I have read many things online that say have them checked. We have had it on the road around 13 hours since owning it and it pulled great. I read somewhere that the argosys axles 1974 and older wore out faster?? How do you visually check to see if there still good? Also just curious how much would it take to get an argosy to look as good as Vintage Thunder. Its gorgeous!
The axles should be carefully looked at, Vintage Thunder had axles that were at the proper angle, indicating they were good, but it turned ouot many years of sitting had caused them to get stiff, and basically "sieze" in place. A test of this would be to crawl under the trailer, and have an overweight friend jump up and down in the middle of the trailer. If the axles flex quite a bit, and you wind up with a mashed nose, they are good. If nothing gives when they jump, you need new axles. Also, if you look at the axle, and the centerline of the hub is sitting above the center line of the axle, you need new axles.
As far as Vintage Thunder, it took me several weeks to get the trailer roasdworthy, and the Airstream Life crew worked on it for several months in their spare time to make it look like it does. If you want more pictures of it to drool over, and lust after, I can PM the current owner, he should have many pictures of it inside and out.
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Old 05-02-2007, 09:41 AM   #17
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The spot with no cross member in the front is where the under floor water tank would go in an Airstream. The water tank is in the very front of an Argosy, on top of the floor. The spot in the rear is where the black tank would go in an Airstream, the black tank is above the floor in an Argosy, directly under the toilet.
I know but I have seen several argosys with no support in rear as well - bothe 22 and 24 footers.
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Old 05-02-2007, 09:43 AM   #18
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Floor rot? Some personal experiences, though I did find more than this...
1. Unhook the battery and take it out. You will see an aluminum pan and a black plastic enclosure on the sides and top of the battery compartment. Is there good caulking between the pan and the black plastic? The need to vent the battery area does allow some rain and road spray into this area and breakdown of the old caulk will let water get to the floor.
2. Take as much of the gaucho apart so you can see all edges of the water tank. Your fill pipe or hosing to the pump could have a leak (mine didn't). I did have a window leak and it collected under the tank and rotted out the floor there.
3. Everybody has problems at the junction of the rear bumper/storage compartment and the shell. There will be some debris or pine needles stuck in there. The aluminum rubrail trim makes access difficult and I honestly don't think you should attempt caulking without temporarily removing the trim. This is just a project to keep in mind.
4. Your sewer vent pipes coming out the roof will need to be re-sealed. The plastic covers will be punky and rotten. I'll post a link soon -- I think john hd wrote up a nice project thread on this.

By the way -- don't use silicone caulk anywhere on an Airstream product. It will stick like the dickens in some places and leak in others. It just doesn't work on aluminum. Use Vulkem or Sikaflex 221 -- I prefer the latter because it skins over quickly and is easy to work with; put partially used tubes into a bread wrapper and store in your freezer. See http://www.airforums.com/forums/f381/vulkem-25132.html.

Axles? Please take a digital pic of the Argo from the side and post a 600 x 800 pixel version here. Also, do you know if this trailer was taken on the road with any regularity?
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Old 05-02-2007, 09:44 AM   #19
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I know but I have seen several argosys with no support in rear as well - bothe 22 and 24 footers.
Right, that's where the black tank would go, if it were an Airstream. Argosy trailers had the tank over the floor, thus, no underfloor black tank to take up the space, and a springy spot both front and rear.
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Old 05-02-2007, 10:06 AM   #21
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Thanks for the advice. I am going to ask all your opinions on this one. I am considering selling this Argosy for one that is ready to go. I have seen one that I am considering. (a minuet) The argosy I currently own has been at the RV place for a month plus when I get it back I have more work plus getting it painted and new cushions. If I get this other one It is going to cost more of course. So if I decide to sell I would not get it painted or the cushions covered. I am concerned because I have no idea what I could sell my Argosy for? I currently have 5- 6 thousand in it. Could I even get close to that??The new airconditioner alone was 650 plus another 100 for a part they had to oder from Airstream. Do dents or bumps take away much value? It looks good and straight except the back top panel of the trailer has some bumps and extends down some. Thanks.
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:51 AM   #22
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Denise-
I have been trying to read through this thread (but my 5 yr old keeps interupting me) and I have similar feelings too.
After you have invested a lot of blood, sweat, tears, money, time, and energy into a project, one must wonder if it's worth it.
My Argosy needs a lot of work, as a matter of fact, my husband and I composed a list a couple of months ago. We were trying to figure out what was important and where to start. So I can really relate to what you are saying.
I think, for me, I had to consider- am I really ready to face the fact whether or not it is reasonable to keep/upkeep or fix what needs to be done in the trailer. what kind of value does the trailer have to me? would I be better off letting my trailer go and move on? and how dead set am I to be stubborn enough to let my family influence my decision, they seem to think i need a trailer other than an airstream.
another thought is if you buy new, you pay for the payments. sure, everything works and it's road ready, but the payments could be within your personal budget. or buy used. you end up paying in repairs what you could have done the same with payments on a new model.
maybe it is more relateable in this way: I flooded my '05 chevy malibu last october. until that incident, I would swear chevy's were the only cars I would ever own. i had to use my insurance money from my malibu towards another vehicle. my husband came across a '93 gmc jimmy, we ended up buying. once i drove the jimmy, i was in love. two months later, i needed a new engine, transmission, belts, and other stuff. the truck was $2000, repairs were over $5000. was it worth spending all that money? only my husband would know because if you asked me now, i would never give up my jimmy.
i think it just depends on how you feel. good luck in your decision, i know it's not an easy one to make. buying a trailer isn't like anything cheap to do either. i'll be following this thread.
if i was to give up my argosy, i would probably buy a late 80's/early 90's trailer. but that's just me.
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:56 AM   #23
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I have decided to keep my Argosy and redo it. It is just getting to complicated to do otherwise. When I get it back next week I will post some pictures. What type of paint is commonly used to paint the Argosy's. An automotive type paint? There is a body shop here in town who is going to come and look at it and give me an estimate for the paint and bondo to be used on the dents. What is a average round about price to have one painted? Thanks.
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Denise, I need to paint and replace two skins. I have been looking at other threads on the subject. Let me know what you end up doing. My trailer doesn't go anywhere, so taking it to a rv dealer is out of the question. we're doing the DIY route.
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:04 PM   #25
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Thanks lilmouse, I am going to keep it. I had my eye on a Minuet but its just more money and who's to say if I sold my trailer what I would get. I would be taking another chance and might lose big. I have already worked night and day on this when we first got it home. It just seems like it is going to take forever before we even get to use it. Thanks.
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:11 PM   #26
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Hi again lilmouse,
I would love to be able to do most the work myself but there are somethings I would be scared to try for fear of really messing it up. I am thinking about replacing the vinyl flooring with something else. I believe if I got enough information I might could do that. My husband is a great guy but no handyman. So that is why it is at the RV place. If it did not have the bumps on the back rear corner I would not get it painted. I don't think think it would look right unless I do both. Thanks.
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Hey Denise! Welcome to the forums. I own Vintage Thunder and I thank you for the nice words. I bought VT for a lot more than $3,900 on ebay and our family absolutely loves it. Mice and all! Yes, we have had our fair share of mice. We had a scene straight out of "I Love Lucy" one night during Thanksgiving that maybe I'll tell you about someday... too embarrassing to relate here. And within one month of owning it we had to replace an axle, a tire and the battery. I broke a piece of the awning while at Mammouth NP, etc., etc.

Lately, VT has been in the shop getting some work done... Leaks were found (they all leak) along with many, many acorns. Even fixed up to the level that VT was (over $22,000 was "put into it" before the above replacements), these magnificient vintage trailers need constant monitoring and love. (I think you could fairly say that about new trailers as well.)

Getting one that was "ready to go" was a priority for me too. I am a mechanical imbecile. Before I came across this forum I didn't even know what questions to ask. I didn't know what was important. But I am learning. You will too.

This is the only picture I have access to right now. If you want, I can post more when I get home. Again, welcome!
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:23 PM   #28
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Hi Mistral Blue,
What other colors have you seen the Argosy's painted and what would you recommend? The color you painted yours is very unique and different. Would love to see more pictures of Vintage Thunder. I guess the 3900 I bought mine for was not too bad. Mine has a few leaks which are going to be fixed also. I thought Airstreams and Argosy's could not leak. I have alot to learn. Thanks.
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