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Old 03-13-2018, 03:19 PM   #1
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Argosy Battery, Box, and Converter Upgrade Questions

Hello,
We have a 1976 Argosy 28' center bath. The battery compartment is road side by the wheel wells underneath the lower shelf of the wardrobe. The old Triad converter is there as well.

The battery box only fits a Group 24 battery and would like to upgrade to dual batteries and new converter as well.

From what I've read so far: If we go with AGM, then we can just remove the old box. If we stick with lead acid, the the compartment needs to be sealed.

I found a thread that had showed building out a new box. http://www.airforums.com/forums/f227...eds-80469.html

Anyone else upgrade the converted and batteries in theirs? Any recommendations on what to replace the batteries and triad with?

I uploaded some old photos I had of the current equipment.
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My plan for the '76 center-bath was to go AGM and bring the batteries fully inside. There's plenty of room in the bottom of the closet where the old battery box is, and the converter... I figured if I got crazy I could get 4 6v beasts in there, though if I were planning it now I might spring for a high-quality lithium setup like Battle Born, since being in that closet in the conditioned space of the trailer would get around the cold-weather charging problems with lithium.

Of course I totally lost my sense of perspective somewhere along the way and instead of expensive batteries I bought a new expensive center-bath trailer... ooops. (The 26U is so close to the floor plan of the 28A that it helps me get over the guilt of abandoning the project)
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:30 AM   #3
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Progressive dynamics has a great all in one converter (pd4045). No idea on the batteries- I'm not there yet
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Converter

I used a Progressive Dynamics Mighty Mite 60 amp service.
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:51 PM   #5
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Progressive dynamics has a great all in one converter (pd4045). No idea on the batteries- I'm not there yet


Thanks for the recommendation. On the PD4045, did you replace the ac panel too? The ac panel (rear corner) isnít right next to the converter, so it would take some additional wiring to do that for me.
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It has an a/c panel, d/c panel,converter, and batt charger all in one. Great quality and everything is in compact professional panel and a great price. I got mine on amazon. It will replace all your old stuff. Click image for larger version

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We just picked up our new to us '75 Argosy 28 center bath. Im told the battery wont charge so I assume its a bad old converter like you guys.

Looking into what you suggest the PD4045. Can you show some pics of what you did? Our AC panel is in the back corner also and for now i would like to keep the new battery we were given.

Thanks for any help!
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Also, Steve0white, what did you end up doing? Can you share pics?
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Hello All, it has been awhile since we have worked on our '76 Argosy, 28 footer with Centre Bath, as life just got in the way for too many years. We are going to replace the Group 24 battery with two (2) 6-volt Rolls Deep Cell batteries (wet cell, 230 AHr each) in the next month or so. And are contemplating the same issues as stated here.

My thought is to place them up front right behind the propane tanks and run the power line(s) back to the Progressive Dynamics Model PD4655 (55 Amp). Or, remove the old plastic Group 24 box and put in a new box that would vent to the outside through the existing battery door.

Any inside advise would be greatly appreciated and we look forward to following along.
Chris

Of note, SteveOwhite...I moved the Hydro panel from the corner to the middle of the wall so it sits under the vanity. That way we do not need to left the bed to turn on and off street power every time. Just make sure you tie those couple of wires together in the small metal electrical box. that way if you have to trouble shoot, those joints that are tied behind the wall.
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AGM batteries do away with the vent problems of lead acid batteries. Progressive dynamics units are a great improvement over the original and they are pretty much plug and play. You can leave the 120V system alone unless you are redoing the entire electrical system.
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IMHO the converter and batteries should be as close together as possible. (Practical).
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Yes, high current stuff should be located close together to avoid having to run large wires which are heavy and expensive. Here's a link to the blue sea circuit wizard that can help you figure out what size conductor you need for your circuit.

http://circuitwizard.bluesea.com/#

It's based on ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council) standards, but I find there's a lot of crossover between the work I do on boats and our trailers.


One thing I've done though that's definitely not to "standard" is when I put two lead acid batteries in a non-sealed area of my trailer. What I did to make sure hydrogen gas wasn't building up is a put a small fan in the bathroom closet that runs off 110v plugged directly into the outlet my converter is hooked to. That way whenever the charger is running the fan is circulating the air near the batteries. Not a perfect solution but it got me out camping when I didn't have time to build a vented box. Not suggesting anyone else do what I did, just applying a little common sense engineering to solve the problem of a busted battery box and wanting two batteries for the trip....


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One thing I've done though that's definitely not to "standard" is when I put two lead acid batteries in a non-sealed area of my trailer. What I did to make sure hydrogen gas wasn't building up is a put a small fan in the bathroom closet that runs off 110v plugged directly into the outlet my converter is hooked to. That way whenever the charger is running the fan is circulating the air near the batteries. Not a perfect solution but it got me out camping when I didn't have time to build a vented box. Not suggesting anyone else do what I did, just applying a little common sense engineering to solve the problem of a busted battery box and wanting two batteries for the trip....

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I vented mine into a plumbing vent. There's a hole in the bottom of the battery box that goes into the belly pan and an ABS connection on the side of the box that goes to the adjacent plumbing vent. It's connected to the vent line above the level of the sink drains.
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Boondocker Converter Chassis Ground Lug

I kept the single battery and battery box in there for now as-is. I am replacing the fuse panel and converter with blue sea systems fuse block and Boondocker 45 amp.

However I don't know what to connect to the chassis ground lug on the converter. (positive to positive converter side of fuse block, negative converter side to negative side of fuse block)

I connected the 8 gauge white wire from under the gaucho, which is connected to the chassis (I think), to the negative bus of the fuse block. Should this be connected to the chassis ground? Or should I connect the converter to the AC ground wire? Or run a new chassis ground (if so any suggestions on how)?

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