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Old 01-10-2014, 01:26 PM   #1
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Argosy 24' real tongue weight?

Looking at a 1977 24 with front dinette, rear bath. The specs say the dry weight is 3610 with a 560 tongue weight.

Anybody have real scaled weights for a ready to go camping trailer?

I'm towing a 2900# 400# tongue weight fiberglass trailer with a 2014 V6 gas Jeep Grand Cherokee with tow package. Works great with just the ball hitch, no WDH or sway control.

Wondering what kind of WDH I'll need for the Argosy.

Thanks.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:26 AM   #2
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Add at least 900# for gear and water, hitch weight will increase depending on how much stuff you load. Curt, Reese, EazELift are all reputable weight distributing hitch manufacturers and it sounds like you will need 800# bars. What's the tow capacity of that Jeep? If it is 5000#, you are getting too close to the limit for comfort if you figure the Argosy at 4500# loaded. It will likely weigh more than that, rather than less.
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Old 01-11-2014, 11:18 AM   #3
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Thanks, Argonaut.

Jeep bumped V6 gas tow cap from 5000 to 6200 for 2014 even though Durango (same powertrain only heavier longer vehicle) always was 6200. Kind of shows how arbitrary the mfr ratings can be.
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Here is a link to 1973 Argosy weights including GVWR. I don't think 1974 would be much different.
http://www.airstream.com/files/libra...e7c0f6c7fc.pdf
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Old 01-11-2014, 08:02 PM   #5
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My '74 20' single axle Argosy has a total weight, loaded and camping ready, of 4200# with 700 # tongue weight. Your 22' will be a bit more total due to the slightly longer body and second axle, which mine does not have. Tongue weight will be a bit less I would guess.

I find it interesting that my new 20' FC weighs just about 1000 # more than the old Argosy, with almost the same tongue weight. But it has a deeper frame, heavier cabinets, more "stuff" on it and in it.

The only way to really know is to take it to the scales and weigh it, which I would strongly recommend. I don't think you should tow without a WD hitch and sway control either.

My current tow vehicle is a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee, with the hemi V8, but the Argosy has been towed many many miles with a Jeep straight 6. The new V6 is a vastly superior engine to my old 6's.
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Old 01-12-2014, 04:43 PM   #6
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Hitch weight varies with layout and how you load your gear. The dry hitch weight on my 28ft is around 200 lbs and I can lift it by hand however the fresh water tank is right at the front so as soon as you load that with 300 lbs of water and throw some beer in the fridge you could be closer to 700 lbs on the tongue.
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Old 01-14-2014, 12:23 AM   #7
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Looking at a 1977 24 with front dinette, rear bath. The specs say the dry weight is 3610 with a 560 tongue weight.

Anybody have real scaled weights for a ready to go camping trailer?

I'm towing a 2900# 400# tongue weight fiberglass trailer with a 2014 V6 gas Jeep Grand Cherokee with tow package. Works great with just the ball hitch, no WDH or sway control.

Wondering what kind of WDH I'll need for the Argosy.

Thanks.
If the "Dry" tongue weight is 560, and you add 30 gallons of water in the fresh water tank, you'll be at 800lbs, then add 2 25lb propane tanks, you're up to 900lbs, then add some "stuff" in the trailer (beer, wine, clothes, food, etc), I'll bet you'll be at close to 1000lbs.
BUT, the best thing to do is have the seller take it to a CAT scale and weigh it properly so you know what you really are looking at.
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Old 01-15-2014, 07:48 PM   #8
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30 gallons of water will not add 240 pounds to the tongue weight. Since a portion of the weight is carried on the trailer axles.
30 gallons added 165 pounds to the tongue weight on my 26' coach.
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30 gallons of water will not add 240 pounds to the tongue weight. Since a portion of the weight is carried on the trailer axles.
30 gallons added 165 pounds to the tongue weight on my 26' coach.
I think that generally you are probably correct. For 30 gallons to add 240 lbs to the tongue weight the weight would have to be centered over the ball. Since the tank is back from the ball, you could get a close estimate by taking the percentage of the distance that the center of the tank is in relation to its distance from the ball and the center of the axle. So if the tank is 1/3 of the distance from the ball to the axle, wouldn't the weight on the ball therefore be 2/3 of 240 lbs or approximately 160lbs? Assuming the tank is always located in the very front of the trailer (is it? I don't know), then the longer the distance between the axle and the ball, the more the water tank adds to the tongue weight. One variable of course is the probability that you won't actually get 30 gallons of water in a 30 gallon tank.
This is interesting in a real world kind of way. I've assumed that if I filled my water tank to capacity I would exceed the load rating on my receiver. But now I'm questioning the wet and dry weights the PO gave me when I purchased my Argosy.
Hmmm.
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My 26' Argosy dry weight is 3,900#.
It weighs 5,420# loaded and ready to travel. Tongue weight is 700#.
The GVW is 6,200#. Given that. The tongue weight would increase if the coach is loaded to capacity. How much it increases would depend on where the weight is loaded in the coach.
I have always been confused by the weight ratings on trucks.
When you add the front axle weight rating to the rear axle weight rating. The sum exceeds the GVWR of the truck.
The individual axle ratings tell me that the bearings etc are rated for the weight stated.
So why is there such a significant difference?
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now put 60# of water in the hot water tank behind the axle, another 50# of black water, your wife's 70# of beauty products in the bathroom, and mount a spare tire behind the axle and you just equalized the weight of the fresh water and now you are back down to 500 tongue weight.
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Old 01-16-2014, 11:51 PM   #12
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My 24' Tradewind is about 5,000 lbs, full water, ready to camp.
I think your Jeep with the v6 and 8 spd tranny will be a well matched TV for your Argosy.

Go for it!

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Thanks for all the feedback. Sounds like my jeep will be fine with a good WDH.

So far we have looked at four 24 argosys in the $4-5k range. All were bigger projects than I want to take on right now.

I guess I need to find a $10k one.
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