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Old 05-18-2018, 07:47 PM   #21
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Thanks, So far the subfloor looks to only require patching in the usual areas, so the Coosa will likely come off the list. I chose the refrigerator for its 12v performance but as you said might be overkill and maybe there are other options. I haven’t tried to get better pricing on that one. The marine toilet originated from wanting to place it other than over the black tank, but that be coming off the list as well since I will likely stay with the current layout Vs trying to move to a side bath ... not enough space in 26’ to accomplish that.
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Old 05-19-2018, 12:49 AM   #22
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Yeah, as I get into mine I've looked at changing the layout and adding all kinds of cool stuff. But there's a definite appeal to keeping it as simple as possible. If I can make my campers usable and clean i figure it will raise the value enough that if I really want something different down the line I will be able to sell what I have and buy something closer to my ideal. Until then the best part about camping remains what's outside the trailer door

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Old 05-19-2018, 01:18 AM   #23
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One thing I did early on is to visit my local Airstream dealer and check out the new models. I came to the conclusion that there wasn't much the new ones had that I didn't already have in my Argosy. My fridge runs on propane, 12v would be nice but then I have to add a bunch of batteries. I could add bigger tanks, a TV, microwave, etc. but none of that stuff is really necessary and it adds complexity without a serious return.

I appreciate the classic lines of my trailer and it gets me into campgrounds where another 40-year-old rig wouldn't fly. I've worked on stuff my whole life and at the end of the day I have to ask if whatever thing I'm fixing meets the requirements I have for it. My trailer needs to keep me off the ground, be comfortable to sleep in, and provide a place to prepare my meals and take care of bodily functions. Beyond that I'm not sure what else I require.

Simple means I don't have to worry about as many things and I can concentrate on enjoying wherever I happen to be camped. I've enjoyed building my new kitchen from wood I bought at the home supply store and inexpensive fixtures. Doing it for the least amount I can spend makes it all the much sweeter. I travel for work and get to stay at some really fancy hotels but my trailer gives me the opportunity to disconnect, decompress, and relax. I love your idea to "refresh" what you have. Just fix the things that bother you and leave the rest alone. Do what pleases you and nothing else, after all it is your "recreational vehicle"

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Old 05-19-2018, 03:56 AM   #24
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I grew up traveling with my parents as a early teen in a 20’ Travco motorhome (not too different in style from an Argosy). I spent many hours with my dad fixing,rebuilding or replacing many of its systems & components. Some of my most lasting memories are of sitting on the cold pavement in the middle of Ohio winters passing tools to my dad from inside a wheel well. There were as many life lessons in those moments as there were during our travels.

I’m now fortunate enough to be able to travel in whatever mode I would care to. And like you have been able to travel the world through work in very nice accommodations. Until recently my preferred personal mode of travel was tent camping ... but after a adventurous week in Caya Costa (off the coast of Ft Meyers) I’m not sure I will ever get my wife/kids to join me again. For me, getting heat stroke during a week long summer beach camping trip in OBX convinced me that maybe it was time to “upgrade” from the tent.

Some people prefer to spend 8-10K on single trip of hotels, airfares and/or cruises - while nice it’s just not my thing and seems wasteful for little value. I still prefer a simpler style of travel. The experiences of meeting and socializing with other travelers in a campground and seeing kids play together who just met is unique to the camping style.

Last winter, I took my sons to a massive RV EXPO here in DC that had nearly every major supplier/model of RV & travel trailer present ... including AS. The shines new boxes on wheels may appeal to some but they just didn’t speak to me. While I liked some of the new finishes of a modern AS, I don’t think their costs are worth it. I walked away thinking I already have everything I need and would want right here in an Argosy. Ok, maybe I could use / want a few more feet up front to be able have space to sit around with my family to eat & play cards on a cold or rainy day of camping.

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I was able to take down the remainder of my belly pan in the rear of the axles. Fortunately I was able to pull the insulation under the axles and wouldn’t you know it ... the mouse penthouse was there in the center!

Based on what I have seen so far the rear 2’ of the floor has rotted out as has the street side from the end of the wheel hub to the rear with the worst being under what used to be a battery box.

The frame and outriggers are solid except 1 ... the one under the battery box....it basically was reduced to metallic crumbs.

The question is can I replace an outrigger with the shell on?

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Treasures from late 1974:
2 pencils, one freshly sharpened
And a pair of nylon footies

What’s in your bellypan?

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The question is can I replace an outrigger with the shell on?
This outrigger is right underneath the last rib of the rear end so I’m assuming there’s a fair bit of support to the overall structure occurring here and this needs to be addressed.

So thinking through this, since I will need to cut away that section of floor anyway, I should have ready access to the frame from above in order to weld in a new outrigger. Is there something I’m missing? Sounds too easy to be true.

I was really kind of hoping to have some fun with gantries but I’m fairly certain I can do what I need to without removing the shell, although I’m not really too excited about riveting the bellypan on my back in my gravel parking pad.
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Yes, you can weld in a new one. As a matter of fact, with the wood section out there's not a better time to do it. Take the easy ones when you can. I know my front outriggers where triangular angle iron. From memory I can't recall if the rear was the same. I'll take a look tonight for you.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:34 PM   #29
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Good to know! I’m still going to build a gantry to help lift and hold the axles in place from above as I mount them....among other uses.

The last outrigger before the bumper appears to triangular iron. However, the one just before the last (the one that has rusted away) was an iron plate with a curved bottom. I can use the other side as a template.

I haven’t checked the online stocks but the ones I’ve see posted elsewhere have an oval shaped cutout and appear somewhat tubular, whereas the Argosy outriggers are a solid plate. I’m in the burbs here so there aren’t many fabricators around, but I’ll do some hunting/asking around and see if I can get one made. My porch hip roof trusses have a custom welded V steel plate sandwiched between 2x12s, so I know those guys are here somewhere!Click image for larger version

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I also noticed the lower frame rails (about 47” long) that support the bumper/compartment and grey tank have 2 additional 6-10” of angle iron supporting them to the upper frame rails This was on both the curb and street side. Are these also welded onto the upper frame and this is additional support or is this an earlier repair? The angle iron looked fresh and shiney. Didn’t take a pic of it as it was getting dark will post one later.
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Nevermind about the fresh angle, the bellypan is revitted to it. Click image for larger version

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For outriggers get some 5x2x1/8 metal tubing. Make a template of the other one on paper and transfer the curves to the new one. You can cut the outriggers to shape with a jigsaw and a metal blade. Not real hard. I felt like a million bucks after I made the first one
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Make that 2 outriggers to be addressed the one under the refrigerator compartment needs to be touched up.

Even with all the insulation out from the underside I can still smell the stench of mice. I can only imagine what’s waiting for me behind the interior skins.Click image for larger version

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You outrigger replacement count is great so far! I had to replace 15 on mine
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Old 05-22-2018, 07:35 PM   #34
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wow 15...did you find it was easier/cheaper to make them yourself or just buy them?
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I couldn't find a supplier that was reasonable. Yes cheaper to make myself. Plus I got a welder out of the deal. Only drawback was I had to learn to weld! YouTube and friends. Love it. They are not hard to make and they give you more surface area for attaching the belly pan.
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Acquired a 79 30’ Argosy with a layout close to what I was looking for (rear twin, center bath and plenty of room up front for a large dinette).

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Very nice....


Where did you find that one?
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A few weeks ago I had done a couple searches here on the forum for 30’ Argosy owners (VIN registry & posts) and reached out to a few of them via PM. Just happened that the owner of this one had it parked at Lake Cumberland KY, not using as much and was thinking about selling. Picked it up in southwest Ohio this weekend while visiting family for the long holiday weekend.

Always good to meet and deal with other forum members (and fellow Buckeyes) than the random CL dealers.
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That looks like it's in great shape! good find....
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Yes, I feel very lucky to have found one so close to what I was looking for and so quickly...it must have been meant to be!

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The rear end sat a bit low, but I think the hitch height was an inch or 2 high and the Jeep’s suspension kept wanting to go in “off road” mode when I parked which only made it appear worse.

Other than needing a bath, some new axles and the normal signs of mice on the inside, I didn’t have any initial indications of frame or subfloor issues...but I haven’t probed too deeply yet as we were in a rush to get back on the road.

The prior owner to the seller had done an extensive update back in 2000 including a paint job and appears to have installed a small solar panel (I don’t think those were available from the factory in 1979).

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One of my wheel caps came off at a gas stop...my kids thought I was nuts for running back to fetch it. I was disappointed to find it said “made in China” on the inside so I’m guessing their not as original as I thought.

The door seems stiff to open and doesn’t swing freely with out some force (not excessive) to push it open, so maybe there’s some binding going on there. The seller also got locked inside at one point so there’s some work to be done on the handle and interior door skin. Otherwise the interior after a good cleaning and replacing the carpet should be camp ready for the summer while the 26’ work goes on.
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