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Old 04-17-2009, 11:42 AM   #1
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My wife and I found a 1975 Argossy 24ft in Jacksonville Texas for $3000.00. Cash deal, hooked em up and pulled it home. It has been an experience for me. Most all the systems are in place. The young men who
had it before us didn't really repair anything. Seems they configured "work-arounds" to get by. Among the first of things to be addressed was the leaks. I went here and there asking what type of caulk would be best.
After getting several answers, I went looking locally for the meanest stuff I could find. I decided on Dap Gutter Caulk with Butyl Rubber in the color white. A "Case" of caulk later....and a couple of vent caps....the leaks - no more. The flooring wasn't beyond reinforcing.....fiberglass bondo with light tin backer material handled the task quite well. The potty got replaced with an Aqau Magic V. The valve set in the bathroom sink got replaced... along with the P-trap...went back with Sched40. The hot water heater got replaced with a 6gal unit from Lowes....wedged in and strapped down tight. The shower drain hole was reinforced with some white plasic JB weld stuff from the local automotive store from beneath and above....solid as a rock now. New shower drain line also. The black water shutoff valve needed a scrubbing....of note...the whisper thin gasket was taken out and I used Blue gasket maker. The carpet was pulled out and I installed a laminate floor.....corners are tough....trimming I am not real good at and it isn't worth bragging about. New Carlisle tires, 10 ply, balanced indeed. Repacked the wheel bearings and put in all news seals. The new "Shocks"....$$$$OUCH...but I bought them. They were(are) DELCO....not what I was told. The exterior lights all had to be cleaned between the skin and the lamp fixture.....some had never been cleaned. The wiring for the lights "Stop, Turn, Running, Backup" were all connected wrong....I disconnected them and now have them working as they should. Now this one....the strainer on the fresh water pump leaked....so I took it out and connect an inline fuel filter....it'll strain stuff ahead of the pump. I last mounted a rotating flat screen tv mount, bought at Wal-Mart, such that it can be rotated and viewed from any point inside. We have invested about $1500.00 in parts so far. The total is approaching $5K fast. The long awning is gone....some of the mounting brackets are there. I am considering buying an awning...but WOW...new ZipDee $$$$. Would really like to find an old awning and buy a new canvas. Anyone know where I could locate an old set of ZipDEE hardware??? Parting thought...I don't have the money to be a perfectionist....My wife loves this Argosy and I am trying to do the best I can with my hands and the money available.

If you can help with used ZipDee hardware....Thanks
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Hi Ken. Welcome to the forums! Sounds like you've been approaching this in a systematic fashion. Glad to hear your story. Good luck on the awning search.
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My wife and I found a 1975 Argossy 24ft in Jacksonville Texas for $3000.00. Cash deal, hooked em up and pulled it home. It has been an experience for me. Most all the systems are in place. The young men who
had it before us didn't really repair anything. Seems they configured "work-arounds" to get by. Among the first of things to be addressed was the leaks. I went here and there asking what type of caulk would be best.
After getting several answers, I went looking locally for the meanest stuff I could find. I decided on Dap Gutter Caulk with Butyl Rubber in the color white. A "Case" of caulk later....and a couple of vent caps....the leaks - no more. The flooring wasn't beyond reinforcing.....fiberglass bondo with light tin backer material handled the task quite well. The potty got replaced with an Aqau Magic V. The valve set in the bathroom sink got replaced... along with the P-trap...went back with Sched40. The hot water heater got replaced with a 6gal unit from Lowes....wedged in and strapped down tight. The shower drain hole was reinforced with some white plasic JB weld stuff from the local automotive store from beneath and above....solid as a rock now. New shower drain line also. The black water shutoff valve needed a scrubbing....of note...the whisper thin gasket was taken out and I used Blue gasket maker. The carpet was pulled out and I installed a laminate floor.....corners are tough....trimming I am not real good at and it isn't worth bragging about. New Carlisle tires, 10 ply, balanced indeed. Repacked the wheel bearings and put in all news seals. The new "Shocks"....$$$$OUCH...but I bought them. They were(are) DELCO....not what I was told. The exterior lights all had to be cleaned between the skin and the lamp fixture.....some had never been cleaned. The wiring for the lights "Stop, Turn, Running, Backup" were all connected wrong....I disconnected them and now have them working as they should. Now this one....the strainer on the fresh water pump leaked....so I took it out and connect an inline fuel filter....it'll strain stuff ahead of the pump. I last mounted a rotating flat screen tv mount, bought at Wal-Mart, such that it can be rotated and viewed from any point inside. We have invested about $1500.00 in parts so far. The total is approaching $5K fast. The long awning is gone....some of the mounting brackets are there. I am considering buying an awning...but WOW...new ZipDee $$$$. Would really like to find an old awning and buy a new canvas. Anyone know where I could locate an old set of ZipDEE hardware??? Parting thought...I don't have the money to be a perfectionist....My wife loves this Argosy and I am trying to do the best I can with my hands and the money available.

If you can help with used ZipDee hardware....Thanks
Your 10 ply tires will split open every wheel. Once a wheel has been in service for an extended period of time, such as with 6 ply tires, then increasing the rating to even 8 ply, will cause the wheels to split, let alone 10 ply. This is as per every wheel manufacturer.

Delco has not made Airstream shocks for many years.

The correct "horizontal shock" is made by Gabriel, and has been, for probably 10 years or more.

The shocks must be "horizontal" as vertical shocks will not work.

Airstream dealers are the only source for those special shocks.

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Old 04-17-2009, 02:14 PM   #4
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tires??

Wow....the 10ply warning is strong....split the wheels...what would cause such splitting? The added pressure? The sidewall thickness?
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Shocks...

The shocks were stated as being mfg by Delco in the manual I ordered from Airstream
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Wow....the 10ply warning is strong....split the wheels...what would cause such splitting? The added pressure? The sidewall thickness?
Yes and yes.

Additional stresses on old wheels caused by tougher tires, will cause the original wheels to split.

We had a customer that said "NONSENCE."

He replaced his 6 ply ties with 10 ply tires, and then headed for Phoenix.

He did let us know, however bashfully, that before he reached Arizona, he was forced to replace 3 of his wheels.

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The shocks were stated as being mfg by Delco in the manual I ordered from Airstream
Those manuals are very old, and sometimes can be misleading.

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Hmmmm.....I have > $300.00 in four black things
out there. These are 6 bolt wheels with oversized
hub holes - larger than the outer hub where the
smaller bearing is located.

The fellows who had this before me were running
P205/75R15's. They were bruised and already mis-shaped
...so I knew they had to go.

Man I hope you are wrong...I am running
70 lbs of air in the new tires.
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Hmmmm.....I have > $300.00 in four black things
out there. These are 6 bolt wheels with oversized
hub holes - larger than the outer hub where the
smaller bearing is located.

The fellows who had this before me were running
P205/75R15's. They were bruised and already mis-shaped
...so I knew they had to go.

Man I hope you are wrong...I am running
70 lbs of air in the new tires.
If you have aluminum wheels, I am wrong.

If you have steel wheels, then I guess all the wheel manufacturers are wrong. Hmm. Not very likely.

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A whole case of white DAP gutter caulk? Sounds like a lot!
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Your 10 ply tires will split open every wheel. Once a wheel has been in service for an extended period of time, such as with 6 ply tires, then increasing the rating to even 8 ply, will cause the wheels to split, let alone 10 ply. This is as per every wheel manufacturer.
Andy, Is this phenomenon limited to steel trailer wheels only or does it apply to any steel wheel? Where does the wheel generally split? Does the lower ply tire weaken the wheel in some way?
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Andy, Is this phenomenon limited to steel trailer wheels only or does it apply to any steel wheel? Where does the wheel generally split? Does the lower ply tire weaken the wheel in some way?
This applies to steel wheels only.

They split around the circumference.

As it's explained to us, when a steel whell is in service for a long period of time, within it's rating, everything is fine. But, when a new increased ply rating is used, the wheel will not accept that increase in duty, indefinitely, and will usually fail, typically in a short period of time.

I know as many people do, that there are exceptions.

But, when it comes to safety, exceptions don't apply.

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Steel trailer wheels or any steel wheel? Car? Truck?
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Steel trailer wheels or any steel wheel? Car? Truck?
Sorry, but I only steer my attention to Airstreams.

Keep in mind that wheels on a tandem or tri-axle trailer, receive huge amounts of punishment every time you make a big turn.

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