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Old 04-15-2018, 05:20 PM   #267
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We may be expecting change in too quick a time frame, but it looks like

NO RESPONSE is the RESPONSE.

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Thank you for contributing to the thread. Pat


Yes - no response seems to be the response. Very disappointing. The comments on the "apology" page have been responded to by a marketing firm - "You have a right to be upset. Ryan is taking this to heart..." etc. BS....

What a let down!
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Old 04-15-2018, 06:11 PM   #268
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So, I wonder if the CEO of Airstream had scribbled "Airstream" across the rock how many people would torch their trailers to teach him a lesson.
Please! Entirely different business model. Would only need to communicate and show his irreparable damage of a National Park... to the Airstream Board of Executives and let them and stockholders take appropriate action. Also, who would even think of "torching" a $100,000 investment?? Big difference between a $12.95 Anderson leveling block and the family Airstream Trailer.

My sincere advice to the Anderson Family, instead of hiring a PR firm; they should hire an approved restoration service to remove their names from all the National Parks they have defaced. Only then will they regain the trust of many Airstream owners.
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Old 04-15-2018, 06:18 PM   #269
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-- snip -- if the CEO of Airstream had scribbled "Airstream" across the rock how many people would torch their trailers -- snip --
As with Tim Cook's comment on Facebook's data give away. When he was asked what he would do, he said the company would not be in the situation. Good management "Gets It" and if they do make a mistake, they fix it. The ones that don't, get fired. The company fixes it. Pat
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Yes - no response seems to be the response. Very disappointing. The comments on the "apology" page have been responded to by a marketing firm - "You have a right to be upset. Ryan is taking this to heart..." etc. BS....

What a let down!


There is probably no way he can keep up with the emails etc. and run a business. I would think he would need someone to handle it for him?

Besides, would it change your mind if he wrote back saying “I’m sorry”? It won’t change what he did yet saying that is what everyone wants to hear and accomplished nothing. Further, would you actually believe it?

“It’s better to ask forgiveness than ask permission” was probably his thought.

Our best approach IMO is let him know with our wallet and word of mouth.
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And remind people when the topic comes up in other threads. See post 39.
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Old 04-15-2018, 06:47 PM   #272
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So, I wonder if the CEO of Airstream had scribbled "Airstream" across the rock how many people would torch their trailers to teach him a lesson.


Great question. I'd like to think I'd sell mine for another brand.

That would be quite egregious.
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Old 04-15-2018, 10:51 PM   #273
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So, I wonder if the CEO of Airstream had scribbled "Airstream" across the rock how many people would torch their trailers to teach him a lesson.
Hi, we don't deal with "if's" so there will not be a proper answer to your question.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:47 AM   #274
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Vengeance really should be left to the Lord, so I am glad I don't have the man's home address.

But I confess I probably watch Dr. Phil at least once a week. (A local station airs it at 7 AM and 5 PM so while waking up to a cuppa coffee, it's easy to watch cause I don't have to drive thru rush hour - retired!) If I didn't already know it, the show has reaffirmed that people persist in stupid behavior - because they never realize there are better alternatives and/or actually believe that what they are doing is right. 30 year old "children" mooching off parents, siblings, grands, etc. Women and men staying in abusive relationships. Parents who beat, starve and imprison their children... get caught and simply can't understand what all the fuss is about. It is all so much more common than we realize.
And - duh! So much easier to see when others are doing it instead of saying, am I like that?

We all grow up with our baseline "normal" being whatever our parents did. College or military service changed everything for a lot of us by making us aware that other families were very different from ours. I went to dinner at an observant Jewish girlfriend's house several times... Oddly whenever I watch Blue Bloods I think of those dinners. Never had anything like that in my house.
I was well aware of the dietary laws, but asked Mama to tell me how to help in the kitchen without violating any of the rules, and impressed her by knowing why they had two refrigerators, stoves and sets of dishes. I implied that her daughter even kept kosher in the dorm (a pizza with cheese and meat? Never - Lynnie taught me to love pizza with cheese and green olives!) Mama would have died if she had seen a half eaten sausage pizza fly out the window when her parents visited unexpectedly... followed by three girls spitting Listerine!

Ah, the good old days.
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So, I wonder if the CEO of Airstream had scribbled "Airstream" across the rock how many people would torch their trailers to teach him a lesson.
Exactly. So glad I use wood blocks. Geez how hard is it to level a trailer anyway?

This thread has gone beyond stupid.
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Exactly. So glad I use wood blocks. Geez how hard is it to level a trailer anyway?

This thread has gone beyond stupid.
The thread may be stupid (depending on your point of view) but I don't think it is about leveling a trailer.
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I have seen strips of rubber used.

I will use the leftover “puzzle” type rubber flooring for mine. Probably last one trip as it is not a solid rubber.

The Camco ones do slip easy !
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The norm is "Leave No Trace" and there is regulation in place to enforce the norm when violation is in the form of damage and defacement of public land. However, history proves over and over that regulation is of limited value if not supported by a high percentage of the general public. So, this thread is important to remind Airstreamers that there are still selfish and ignorant folks who need the benefit of soft power in the form of education, peer pressure and ecconomic backlash to learn the importance of the "Leave No Trace" norm. Thank you for your contribution to the thread. Pat
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-- snip --responded to by a marketing firm - -- snip --
So, there is a response. At least that is encouraging. Isolating the issue to a separate internet silo may be percieved as good tactics, but only Defacer2018's closest friends and family can know what he has "taken to heart". He hired the wrong PR consultants. Pat
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