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Old 04-12-2018, 05:00 AM   #211
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Or . . .

Go straight to The Argue Thread, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

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Old 04-12-2018, 05:27 AM   #212
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Let's tread carefully. We don't want this thread shut down. Let's keep it alive so people are aware of the situation and can act as they see fit.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:35 AM   #213
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If I happened to be an outsider to what would I think about airstreamers if I tripped across this?
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:26 AM   #214
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"Fool's names appear in public places", my mother told me that, she was the best person I have ever known. As an adult, he will have to suffer the consequences of his actions, but she would have forgiven him, but never forgot.
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Old 04-12-2018, 07:43 AM   #215
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If I happened to be an outsider to what would I think about airstreamers if I tripped across this?
Well if I was a cop and stopped an air streamer for a traffic violation no matter how small I would bypass the verbal warning stage and completely inspect the rig, then ticket the traffic violation.
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:56 AM   #216
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What Would Rocky Do?

We know were not a court of law and justice… We're a court of Public Opinion. Important to vent and voice feelings, interact, and hopefully everyone does something heartfelt like SteveSueMac..


Maybe a national figurehead should indeed be a Raccoon. They're tough little guys that I'd want on my side in a fight. All ages and cultures can relate to them.


If there were a Raccoon Mascot type figurehead and slogan for national land protection, like Smokey the Bear's “Only You..”, with a poignant, consequential message, toned down from outrage, what would it say?? “Leave No Trace” isn't being universally respected.


“Rocky didn't like that, He said... I'm going to get that boy”... Paul McCartney


“Feelin' Lucky, Punk?” “Go ahead, make my day” “I'll be back”


But seriously, I know that “both barrels” and “gut-shot” warned by a Clint Eastwood/Raccoon isn't going to fly, so I wonder what is an appropriate, concise, consequential message to all ages and cultures??


Not condoning violence, but I like this guy… Image from google...
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:57 AM   #217
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Remember, remember, remember

make a real difference

change the behavior

not public land
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:15 AM   #218
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If I happened to be an outsider to what would I think about airstreamers if I tripped across this?
If you're saying what would someone think of this thread, I think they'd see that we care about the public lands we enjoy.
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:24 AM   #219
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I'm in Arches now. In the park brochure there is an article about how they are trying to repair the infamous 6' long "Andersen". Seems a coincidence another "Andersen" grafitti.

I've seen some graffiti on my hikes. Names scratched on walls near Navaho Arch one dated 2018, large arrows scratched into walls on Primitive trail to point to the wrong direction. They know it's wrong but still do it. Extreme case of narcissism, so sick. I don't own any Andersen products and never will now.

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Old 04-12-2018, 09:27 AM   #220
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I think this leaves us all just shaking our heads in wonder how someone could be so careless of our national treasures. I still can't wrap my head around the scout leader who toppled one of the formations at Goblin Valley State Park just a couple of years ago.

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Owner of Andersen Hitches vandalizes in Arches NP

Does anybody remember Ranger Rick? We already have a great raccoon mascot!
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Is the THREAD discourteous? Of course not. It's ON TOPIC and good for the community.

Individual posts might meet that definition...but I haven't seen any that violate rules... but I'm not a moderator. I hope the mods will allow this very important thread to live on and on so it can have lasting good-effect on the community...and that we can avoid hi-jacking it with unrelated comments.

Andersen, Benedict Arnold, and Iscariot... names I'll never forget.
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I think Ranger Rocket is more suited to the task.
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These kind of people have probably been doing disrespectful irresponsible damage their whole lives. No one taught him writing on walls as a kid, graffiti as a teen was wrong, and here he is as an adult causing more permanent damage. Never learned to be respectful of our land, homes and everyone. Even a huge fine will not be much to him. He needs to repair the damage, work in the park picking up trash, cleaning the bathrooms, picking up doggy doo, scrubbing the floors and all jobs needing to be done for at 500 hours. Physical work would definitely help get the point across. Set an example.
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