Owner of Andersen Hitches vandalizes in Arches NP

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by Hans627

The thread may be stupid (depending on your point of view) but I don't think it is about leveling a trailer.

That was two separate thoughts. That’s why I put a space between them.

[Boxite]

Originally Posted by CRH

I would have just rattle canned them black and played dumb if someone asked what brand they were if someone asked and I didn't feel like advertising for Andersen.

This solution also retains the exposure to liability for Andersen. (He's already made his money on existing product.)

I wonder.... could one sue him for "loss of prestige"...

[PKI]

So, anyone up on patent law? Is it possible that there is only an appearance patent and the black color gets around it. The next question is, who owns the patent and who is paying a license. And the elephant might well be, is there a patent.

Like the paint them black solution. Like the idea of branding them with the Defacer2018 logo and circle/slash. Find the recycle approach is quite effective and appropriate to flush the flawed relationship. Pat

Edit - interesting - https://patents.google.com/patent/US...hicle+levelers

[markdoane]

Clearly a Lanham Act violation. We could start a class action for defacing a National Trademark.

[OTRA15]

What exactly would be the trademark? The arch itself? Is there a TM symbol on the arch registering it as a trademark?

Under what legal theory would there be a violation of the Lanham Act here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanham_Act

Where does the act cover "defacing" anything?



Thanks, maybe I am missing something.

Peter

[drairstream]

Maybe time to quit trolling this. I prefer airstream info. Oh well

[PKI]

Originally Posted by OTRA15

-- snip --maybe I am missing something. -- snip --

Yep, but that tongue placed firmly in the cheek is a bit difficult to see when blinded by Defacer2018's actions. I missed it too, the first time through. Pat

[markdoane]

Originally Posted by PKI

Yep, but that tongue placed firmly in the cheek is a bit difficult to see when blinded by Defacer2018's actions. I missed it too, the first time through. Pat

Maybe it was tongue-in-cheek when I wrote it.

But why doesn't the National Park Service, the BLM, your state, or the Federal Government place copyrights on our national treasures?

It could provide a method for civil action and damages against a defacer.

Would some lawyer provide an opinion?

[hickory]

My my what a vindictive bunch. I have never defaced a national landmark but have certainly done my share of stupid things in my life. I certainly think he should be punished but I won't be the one to cast the first stone at him.
YMMV
Hickory

[PKI]

Originally Posted by markdoane

-- snip -- But why doesn't the National Park Service, the BLM, your state, or the Federal Government place copyrights on our national treasures? -- snip --

Your thought is not new, but there was an unintended consequence, which is quite frustrating. The NP contracts, at least at Yosemite NP, passed the rights to the names of lodges and similar facilities to the managing vendor when those functions were outsourced. There was legal action to reverse the contract, but in the near term the names in the Yosemite park were changed when the managing vendor was replaced so they would have no basis for damage claims from the use of the traditional names. So, there are some trademarks. It's just not everything on public lands and in at least one case, ownership proved more difficult that anyone would imagine. Pat

[Philip Jones]

Originally Posted by hickory

My my what a vindictive bunch. I have never defaced a national landmark but have certainly done my share of stupid things in my life. I certainly think he should be punished but I won't be the one to cast the first stone at him.
YMMV
Hickory

I fall into the same category as you and I agree with you.

[dcasr]

Originally Posted by Foiled Again

Vengeance really should be left to the Lord, so I am glad I don't have the man's home address.

But I confess I probably watch Dr. Phil at least once a week. (A local station airs it at 7 AM and 5 PM so while waking up to a cuppa coffee, it's easy to watch cause I don't have to drive thru rush hour - retired!) If I didn't already know it, the show has reaffirmed that people persist in stupid behavior - because they never realize there are better alternatives and/or actually believe that what they are doing is right. 30 year old "children" mooching off parents, siblings, grands, etc. Women and men staying in abusive relationships. Parents who beat, starve and imprison their children... get caught and simply can't understand what all the fuss is about. It is all so much more common than we realize.
And - duh! So much easier to see when others are doing it instead of saying, am I like that?..........
Ah, the good old days.

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Bringing back cruel and unusual punishments on live tv could put a damper on some of this and definitely reduce recidivism. Just saying....
+d

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by dcasr

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Bringing back cruel and unusual punishments on live tv could put a damper on some of this and definitely reduce recidivism. Just saying....
+d

I’m OK with that, as long as all laws are strictly enforced. That means photo radar and a transponder in every car.

Partial sarcasm, but be careful what you wish for.

[Wayne&Sam]

Originally Posted by hickory

I won't be the one to cast the first stone at him.
YMMV
Hickory

As post #290, don't worry about that.

[mefly2]

A-d-j-u-s-i-c-a-t-i-o-n
That is the American way ...

[RangerJay]

A stupid, arrogant, unthinking, selfish person ....... his business is toast .... and it should be .....


Jay

[WheelnStones]

https://ryan-andersen.org/

[Boxite]

Originally Posted by WheelnStones

https://ryan-andersen.org/

It's not what that appears. In reality...Ryan does not read these messages... he has given that task to an underling who claims they will pass along your message to Ryan. (All you have to do is read down a few pages to realize that Ryan does not personally read any of the messages left for him.)

BUT.... What a PLAN. Make a husband/wife apology smiling photo...then open a webpage so folks can leave a message.... all the while harvesting their email addresses for FREE!

[tweety7754]

No doubt the guy made a BIG mistake and set a horrible example for his kids, but who among us hasn't done something stupid without thinking? (Let the person who has never done something stupid cast the first stone.) In the past, without social media, how many of us could have done something that, in retrospect, could have cost us business, a reputation, public shame, ect? Probably a lot. I just think that ruining his business with boycotts and taking away his way of providing for his family is not right, either. It was stupid, of course, but I think he is going to pay for it in plenty of ways without taking away his family's financial security. Just my opinion.

[DBinSD]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

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These have worked for us.

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Bob

[emoji1148]

Bob,

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I used Legos as well and will never go back.

Dan