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04-10-2018, 03:28 PM
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#181
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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Search "Camco levelers" on Amazon. Should pop up readily...the anti-slip appears to be part of the chocks now.
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'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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04-10-2018, 03:30 PM
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#182
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Rivet Master
2016 28' International
Sioux Falls
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Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 576
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PKI
There are a lot of folks who just do not understand the "leave no trace" protocol for public lands. There are a lot of people who think "boys will be boys" or similar. There are a lot of folks who do not think ........
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EXACTLY
Way to many people do not teach their kids this simple philosophy BECAUSE they do not follow it
I point it out to them EVERY chance I get.
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2016 Int. Signature 28' w/ ProPride 3P-1400 Hitch
Mich. LTX w/ 16" Sendels, Centramatics
2017 Ram 2500 4x4 Diesel, CG1800 Bed slide, Leer topper
Better to live one day a lion than a lifetime a sheep. Camp hard, camp often
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04-10-2018, 03:42 PM
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#183
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB Eddie Bauer
2013 25' FB Eddie Bauer
2012 20' Flying Cloud
Small Town
, *** Big Sky Country ***Western Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,860
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Unforgivable actions of destruction ...
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04-10-2018, 04:05 PM
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#184
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans627
The Camco levelers looks smaller (pictures can be deceiving I know). Are they smaller and are they lighter?
Just curious.
Thanks!
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Yes smaller (shorter), yes lighter. I'm looking forward to using them!
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04-10-2018, 04:09 PM
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#185
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Living Riveted since 2013
2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Green Cove Springs
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 8,201
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They are shorter, a bit lighter (less plastic) and a bit easier to carry due to their design. The bottom of the curved ramp is still smooth and could slip. Two ways to address this: (1) Friction tape - I still have some left from having bought this for those red levelers. It worked for them, so I will try it again here. (2) stainless steel screws added to the smooth bottom of the leveler. In this case, the levelers already have small holes in the bottom (I imagine for water drainage) and it would actually be quite easy to drive screws of the proper size into a few well-chosen holes for improved traction, similar to studded snow tires.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans627
The Camco levelers looks smaller (pictures can be deceiving I know). Are they smaller and are they lighter?
Just curious.
Thanks!
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04-10-2018, 11:31 PM
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#186
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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Just opened the portal and could not find this thread. It is not enough to recycle and forget. A very nice lady just said, she was not going to shut up. Not specifically about this subject, but we should adopt her dedication. Get the word out. Be active. Make your point. Be clever, be loud, be in the game. You can't damage, deface, disrespect, destroy our great country. Conservation and adventure are not exclusive.
Teach the kids to use photoshop, not a hammer and chisel..... to make monuments in the mind, not on public lands...... to take pictures, not rocks..... to respect the beauty of nature, and never yield to the stupidity of the moment. Never shut up! Pat
Next, step to the microphone, please!
Edit - still no change in the website "news" or "about us" section .....?????
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04-11-2018, 04:23 AM
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#187
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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The portal lists only the most recent posts, which this now is!
Good points, Pat.
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04-11-2018, 05:38 AM
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#188
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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So that new readers don't have to go back and find the links, here is the apology and "contrite" photo from Post #125 etc. :
https://ryan-andersen.org/
Reminds one of a scene from Lonesome Dove, in which Capt. Call [Tommie Lee Jones] puts a whoopin' on a cavalry scout who was beating one of the hands on the cattle drive. [Call's son it turns out, as we learned later in the movie]
"I hate rude behavior in a man . . . won't tolerate it." [time stamp 0:55]
[Warning -- the following video clip contains violence and graphic footage of a fight in the Old West.]
[ . . . Watch at your own peril . . . ]
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04-11-2018, 05:45 AM
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#189
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Rivet Master
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Cuddebackville
, New York
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,333
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne&Sam
The other day I saw the Camco levelers packaged with an anti-slip mat. I can't find it now.
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Oops, it was the red ones. Cancel the order.
Camcos on their way.
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04-11-2018, 07:24 AM
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#190
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OTRA15
So that new readers don't have to go back and find the links, here is the apology and "contrite" photo from Post #125 etc. :
https://ryan-andersen.org/
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Also note that from his "apology" site, there's a link to help him figure out how to make this right. While I've received no acknowledgment of my note submitted on that form (see text below sent Saturday morning, email address is included in the online form), I am assuming he is seeing/reading these. Despite no response from the form and no response to multiple emails sent to the company directly, I would still encourage people to offer your thoughts as you see fit.
Here's the text of what I submitted to the apology site FYI:
An apology is a good start. But apparently others warned you about this before you did it and you did it anyway. And the news told of some chicanery you involved your kids in to switch license plates to avoid recognition. There's more here than is covered in your apology.
First - I've already emailed your company wanting to return the levelers I bought for a refund. I've been free advertising for you for 4 years directing countless fellow campers to you who were intrigued by your admittedly outstanding product. I've raved about your products in online forums. And despite the online wars about hitches (and my use of something else) I've encouraged some to check out your innovative trailer hitch. I regret that. I don't want to use your products anymore and be associated with your actions or company in any way.
As for next steps - first - you need to address whether you had any involvement with another carving of ANDERSEN that's been making its way around the Internet. If that's you - you need to own up to that immediately.
Second - a 7 figure donation to BLM and National Parks would be a good start - but an ongoing % of Andersen Hitch revenues and your personal income would be a good sign.
Third - a permanent, sustained, sincere, effective self-funded educational program to fight against this kind of senseless, selfish vandalism of treasures for which we all must be stewards seems essential.
There's more but this is the bare minimum for starters.
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04-11-2018, 09:08 AM
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#191
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveSueMac
-- snip --Third - a permanent, sustained, sincere, effective self-funded educational program to fight against this kind of senseless, selfish vandalism of treasures for which we all must be stewards seems essential. -- snip --
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SSM - YES - a "life change" commitment. Appropriate and well stated.
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04-11-2018, 09:35 AM
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#192
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Rivet Master
1999 30' Excella 1000
small town
, Maryland
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 802
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Thanks for the link OTRA15. Mr. A. could have picked a more subdued picture, but the letter sounds sincere. Actions speak louder than words, so lets see what his next move is. Donating to blm land before an assessment of damage would be a good start. Sponsoring a cleanup operation at blm campgrounds is another good example. Instead of Smoky the bear, Have Ryan the raccoon promoting leave no trace...ok bad idea. Ricky the raccoon? Start a National campground cleanup day in the fall. Any other suggestions? Nice letter SSM...the inspiration for this post.
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04-11-2018, 10:10 AM
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#193
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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Ryan/Ricky the Raccoon! Great idea! Use the form on his apology site!
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04-11-2018, 10:44 AM
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#194
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Rivet Master
2008 22' Safari
Spicewood (W of Austin)
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,950
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Interjection of a comic/cartoon creature into this criminal activity is a revolting idea, in my opinion.
Using the crime-dog "Take a Bite out of Crime" would serve the purpose. (preferably with the dog holding the seat-of-pants torn out of Ryan's prison-uniform in the dog's mouth.)
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04-11-2018, 10:50 AM
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#195
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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Well, I hear that Boxite. The damage is done and I certainly don't want to make light of it. There could be a hundred things to make this redemptive and better for the future - if a cartoon character helps with that - great. What other ways could we suggest to them??
I still recycled the levelers and will continue to speak out. No single right approach to react and improve....
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04-11-2018, 11:00 AM
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#196
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Rivet Master
2010 25' FB Flying Cloud
Davenport
, Iowa
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,146
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Does this thread violate Community Rules; "be courteous" ?
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04-11-2018, 11:40 AM
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#197
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airtandem
Does this thread violate Community Rules; "be courteous" ?
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No it does not, in my opinion. Everyone is being entirely courteous in discussing an outrageous act -- again in my personal opinion. Sometimes such an act will leave some irregular flotsam and jetsam in its wake.
"Don't shoot the messenger," in other words.
Your mileage may vary . . .
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04-11-2018, 12:04 PM
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#198
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,801
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airtandem
Does this thread violate Community Rules; "be courteous" ?
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Courtesy is underrated and ignored far too often, BUT are there not times where discourtesy is actually required? I see a driver ahead of me at a toll booth - old beater car with NO a/c and a sweaty 4 year old child sitting in the rear window, with only her lower legs inside the car. Four lanes of traffic and a dozen apalled looking drivers watching. I slam on the brakes, hit the flashers, run to that car and yell "Get that child IN the car with a seatbelt ON, or I will place you under citizens arrest and call the cops!" "But she's hot" is the response. "If she falls out she could fracture her skull, so let her be Safe and miserable you stupid cow!" -- OK THAT was rude.
I go back and jump in my car to the faint applause of 2-3 other drivers and follow the woman home where I note her address and inform social services. (Good friend in the dept. Let me know that mom was "encouraged" to take parenting classes - which she obviously needed. Hope she benefited)
Thinking about it... why did NO ONE ELSE jump in? Good manners? Even good parents get frazzled and tired and lose focus. Many are clueless because their own parents were vying for the Darwin Award. That woman probably got NO lasting benefit from my rudeness. But I know her daughter didn't go to the hospital that night.
Courtesy IS a good thing.
So is forgiveness.
Making amends and deserving forgiveness is probably a better thing.
Teaching your kids to make thoughtful and good choices? Probably the best thing.
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04-11-2018, 12:09 PM
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#199
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Rivet Master
1999 30' Excella 1000
small town
, Maryland
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 802
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxite
Interjection of a comic/cartoon creature into this criminal activity is a revolting idea, in my opinion.
Using the crime-dog "Take a Bite out of Crime" would serve the purpose. (preferably with the dog holding the seat-of-pants torn out of Ryan's prison-uniform in the dog's mouth.)
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I would love to see your dog biting idea for adults, but kids might take offence.
The cartoon/ comic idea would cater to future generations starting at a young age. Some kids will listen to a''stranger'' raccoon, rather than their own parents. A tearful raccoon looking at a trashed river, saying ''This is my home'', would send a powerful message to kids. This reminds me of the tearful Indian commercial in the 70's for pollution................ Trying to make a negative incident into a positive outcome.
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04-11-2018, 12:09 PM
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#200
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airtandem
Does this thread violate Community Rules; "be courteous" ?
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I didn't think so - so if I've personally been discourteous, please let me know how. It happens sometimes....I'm just trying to problem-solve....
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