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Old 01-07-2018, 11:01 AM   #15
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We received the book "Living the Airstream Life" as a Christmas present this year. At first skim, the impression was one of complete negativity. The photos are of coaches that very few folks would ever embrace for camping. Much more art than practical Wally travel tools.

After actually reading and doing the study thing, it has some info of interest. Not sure of the accuracy, but it certainly adds knowledge to the history story.

Like the layout pictures for the Ambasador, Sovereign, and similar vintage coaches. It's more that just a shiny exterior to grab the interest.

Like the frontal profile drawing that details how the trailers grew wider over time. If you want a narrow coach to get in a tight site, look at vintage.

Like the hand drawn specification drawing that shows the "drawn by" box signed and the "checked by" box empty. Kind of says a lot about the culture at AS, even in the past.

Like the history time line that documents when models were released and events occured.

The book is more focused on a variety of AS related subjects and less focused on AS specific subjects. Credit given to some recent contributions by owners and renovators. Somewhat a composite of history, coffee table picture features, and full timer interviews. Pat
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:19 PM   #16
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I have similar concerns about full timing….

I know there are some that do it.

Some that love it.

Some that try it.

Some that give up on it

Some that hate it.

I was thinking that we don't hear to much from the people that failed at it, or hate it.

Ten or fifteen years ago I followed blogs from a guy that was GREAT at full timing. He was young, handy, hard working, frugal and smart. He lasted 5 years, then built a house. It cost him $22K a year, that was a long time ago.

I knew a guy who was retired and a full timing guru. He boasted that he averaged $8 a night for JUST " parking ". 8 times 365 is almost three grand a year. Not so bad. But there is a quality of life issue. Ya wanna live at Walmart or a campground? ( He got old and is living this daughters house )

Then there is the periodic people whose first post is " I have a great idea.Buy a really cool Airstream and live in it to save money "

I am thinking that Airstreams ( or SOBs even ) are luxury items. ( money pits ???)

One financial advisor tells new retirees " DON'T BUY AN RV "
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:26 PM   #17
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One financial advisor tells new retirees " DON'T BUY AN RV "
I'll bet most would advise their clients that. They can't make a commission off your RV.
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Old 01-07-2018, 01:18 PM   #18
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For our 2014 31' Classic acquired new and heavily modified, the fixed costs for our storage space, insurance and annual license plate fee use up around $5,000. We can put the unit on our Airstream only RV park lot (which cost $25K) for $1,800 for the season for power, water, trash service, park wide internet, etc. Some folks have left their trailer there for free over the winter in storage mode, but we had several broken into this winter. New alarm systems may help in the future.

Of course there is the acquisition and modification costs of the tow vehicle plus license & insurance and the fuel costs of getting the trailer to the RV park.

Turning on cable internet for our lot at the park (for security) is mostly compensated for by dropping the unlimited cell data plan on Verizon for the summer to a fixed data plan.

Food costs are similar to being at our home in Phoenix where the summer energy costs skyrocket due to the heat whether we are there or not.

Since the acquisition costs are now history for us, we could winter in Quartzite for the winter with no lot rent, but it would be really a spartan existence.

So allowing for about $8,000 in fixed costs, we still have to eat and pay operating costs for the drive around vehicle at the RV park.

There are some RV parks in Apache Junction that have year round rates of just under $1,000 per month plus utilities, if you can stand the heat. So if the Classic moved between an AJ trailer park and the mountain park, one might get by on $25,000 per year.....before medical insurance, cell phone service etc....

Airstreams can be a lot like a boat, a bottomless pit for money.
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Old 01-07-2018, 02:03 PM   #19
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Beautiful AS myth and painful reality of life on the road... ??

True, the AS does suck money like a boat, but the convenience and the beautiful places you can go and see make it worth it.

Besides, as an old fart, having my own, clean, comfortable bathroom only 20 feet away at all times is a serious plus!!
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Old 01-07-2018, 05:55 PM   #21
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Beautiful AS myth and painful reality of life on the road... ??

Sadly, I can think of a whole bunch of places I’d rather be than anywhere near Los Angeles....assuming that’s the LA you are referring to...

Disneyland, maybe. But it’s in Anaheim...
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:57 PM   #22
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Had author Ellie Robins led the article with her bottom line, we could have seen her for what she is and skipped reading the rest of the Marxist garbage.
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The great trick of democracy hijacked by consumerist capitalism is to give the illusion of choice
No Ellie, the great trick of media propgandists who've hijacked honest journalism, is to present an illusion of truth.

Urbanization is the nirvana for globalists intent on ruling us. Elitist pseudo-intellectuals who inhabit caves like the LA Times push the agenda, which includes get us out of our cars, into public transit, and out of our homes into high density housing.

What better to attack than Airstream, the great icon of the American dream and, the freedom of open road.

Of important note.....America became great as a republic (not a democracy) based upon the availability of capital to all citizens (capitalism).

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(but... wolves like Robins know this well)
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You, and those likeminded, aren’t the intended audience. It’s a coloring book line to delineate the deplorables of flyover country from those woke. Enlightened. A couched warning.


Agree, 100%!
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Had author Ellie Robins led the article with her bottom line, we could have seen her for what she is and skipped reading the rest of the Marxist garbage.


No Ellie, the great trick of media propgandists who've hijacked honest journalism, is to present an illusion of truth.

Urbanization is the nirvana for globalists intent on ruling us. Elitist pseudo-intellectuals who inhabit caves like the LA Times push the agenda, which includes get us out of our cars, into public transit, and out of our homes into high density housing.

What better to attack than Airstream, the great icon of the American dream and, the freedom of open road.

Of important note.....America became great as a republic (not a democracy) based upon the availability of capital to all citizens (capitalism).

(but... wolves like Robins know this well)
Couldn’t agree more!
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Like I said in a paper written back in high school, “Marxism is a bunch of Commie-rot”.

The class was called “Communism vs Americanism”. That was in the schools back in the 1960’s. Still very true today.

There are lots of Marxists out there, they seem incapable of realizing that their philosophy is basically full of the bucolic output of a male bovine**!

**loosely borrowed from someone else, in a different context, making a very august posting on these forums. I suspect it’s really appropriate here as well.
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Beautiful AS myth and painful reality of life on the road... ??

Sometimes I think it’s more like “We’re not happy until you’re not happy”, based on what I read on the forums.

Absolutely glad ours has a set of manual awnings, no Alde System, and mostly bog-standard hardware without any software madness complicating things(Firefly). Our only complication is solar and ham radio gear (self-induced).

Me, not so much. Most of our issues have been either minor, related to 14” GYMs, or self-induced ‘beauty marks’. But then again, ours is a 2007, and the first owner most likely swatted all the post-build bugs in their one and only outing before my son bought it.
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In the end things make us happy for the short term... But in a fire you save the children and the pets... the stuff can all be replaced.

Deep poverty CAN skew your view, but for most of us once you've gotten used to having enough.... mere collecting of of more and more loses its charm.
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