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Old 03-25-2017, 05:31 PM   #15
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That's a terrible stretch of road. Many, many accidents.hope all recover.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:52 AM   #16
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Another photo confirming the SRW Sprinter, and an AS of at least 25' in length [IMO].

http://www.wtsp.com/img/resize/conte...et=video-still




http://www.wtsp.com/news/truck-hauli...i-75/425448345

In the various photos in all the articles, there appear to be extra items on the roof of the Sprinter, perhaps an awning or two, or some kind of rack IMO. Possibly adding to the high center of gravity.

Hope they are recovering OK.
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Old 03-26-2017, 05:15 AM   #17
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I live a mile from where that incident took place. The local news said the Airstream driver was in the left lane and swerved to avoid a collision and then lost control. To us locals, it is a known area where traffic bunches up for the exit. It is also a downhill (as big as they get in this part of Florida) stretch of highway leading up to the exit. A very dangerous portion of the highway during high traffic times. As another poster said, there are always accidents there.

I hope all involved are OK. Sad to see.
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Old 03-26-2017, 05:55 AM   #18
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I live a mile from where that incident took place. The local news said the Airstream driver was in the left lane and swerved to avoid a collision and then lost control. To us locals, it is a known area where traffic bunches up for the exit. It is also a downhill (as big as they get in this part of Florida) stretch of highway leading up to the exit. A very dangerous portion of the highway during high traffic times. As another poster said, there are always accidents there.

I hope all involved are OK. Sad to see.
While not always the case in Florida, left lane= fast lane. The speed limit there is 70, which is almost always honored in the breach. If they were doing what everybody else normally does in the fast lane, they were in trouble before the accident started, they just didn't realize it.

Likewise, I wish both of them a speedy recovery, though their insurance company may be uncomfortable when it's time to write the check.
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In the various photos in all the articles, there appear to be extra items on the roof of the Sprinter, perhaps an awning or two, or some kind of rack IMO. Possibly adding to the high center of gravity.
The items "on the roof" look like support braces the fire department put in place to stabilize the Sprinter so it wouldn't roll any more while they extracted the driver and passenger.
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I see this where I live but people pull trailers and think their whole rig is just like driving without one.

I see people pulling boats and other things in the fast lane, tailgating and other stupid maneuvers giving little regard for the danger they project. They have no experience in how long it takes to stop a load like that and think their trailer brakes will work and the whole thing will stop on a dime and give nine cents change.

I recall as a teenager my dad occasionally pulled a trailer with a 2.5 ton tractor to the farm from where we lived. He always stressed the importance of coasting to stops, giving lots of room in between us and the other cars in front, and anticipating stops. That's because in part because the trailer's brakes didn't work. The lights didn't either at some point, but that's not a big deal with a flat bed trailer as long as you don't drive at night around here.

We never had an accident or came close to one and avoided pitfalls. It made me a safer driver today because I drive as if trailer brakes don't work for anything I tow. I anticipate stops, look ahead 1/4 mile, and am an active and engaged driver at all times. Thanks dad.
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Old 03-26-2017, 10:41 AM   #21
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The items "on the roof" look like support braces the fire department put in place to stabilize the Sprinter so it wouldn't roll any more while they extracted the driver and passenger.
Yes, I saw those support braces running up and down on a diagonal. At their top ends, however, they seem to stop at a longitudinal structure that could be part of an awning or a roof rack. Maybe nothing, but in a few of ALL the pictures on the Internet, it does seem like something extra is on the roof.

To put it another way, the roof does does not look exactly clean, and the FD braces are lodged against something.

No point in further speculation.

Prayers for the Meadows' recovery.
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Old 03-26-2017, 01:22 PM   #22
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In aircraft when you have a emergency rule #1 someone has to fly the aircraft while others take care of the emergency check list or you have a crash.
When driving and towing a Airstream the drive has to do it all. On roads with more than 2 lanes I NEVER get in lane #1 the fast lane,I try and use 2 nd from right where I do not have to deal with traffic that is entering or exiting to or from ramps.It will also give me a lane on my right and left to try to escape to if I fail to drive defensively. The best defense is always keeping your distance, do not speeding and DO NOT over load you rig. Since I use ST tires I cruse on open roads at 60 MPH.
In CA towing speed limit is 55 MPH and truck 3 axles and over is 55 MPH so all CA car drivers drive in left lane all the time even when they get to AZ where speed limit may be 75 MPH.In AZ on 4 lane road 2 each way the left lane is for passing only. AZ has even put up signs saying that but many do not read or heed.
All states have second-rate men and women who are always in favor of rash and extreme measures,but California is absolutely overrun by them.
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Old 03-26-2017, 07:42 PM   #23
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Towing is dangerous. Be careful out there folks. Pat
Towing is dangerous... if the driver ignores their own limitations, ignores the limitations of their equipment, ignores their environment and/or fails to give driving their full attention.
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Old 03-26-2017, 08:59 PM   #24
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"Dodge Sprinter", looks like SRW, so possibly a 5,000 pound tow capacity, and what looks like a fairly large, tandem-axle Airstream.

We used to own a 2009 Freightliner badged Sprinter SOB Class B. Yes, tow capacity was theoretically 5,000 lbs, with a hitch weight of 5,000. I don't recall the GCWR, but if you added a 25' Airstream to it, you'd have to be at the max or darn close.

I'm very sorry for these folks in this accident and hope they recover soon.
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Actually, I am surprised that we do not see more accidents when I see all the towables flying down the road, some even swaying as they pass me.
I drive 55-60 because that is where I am most comfortable, there is no hurry, and gas mileage is optimal. I find hauling an Airstream stressful. I am always looking as far as I can see, scanning, expecting someone to pull in front of me, brake too quickly, or force me to brake. These kinds of things happen every time I am out. It takes much more effort than driving my car on the same roads at a higher speed.
I had some local friends roll their Airstream last year because they did not know what could happen and could not correct when it did. It's scary out there, everyone be careful!
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Towing is dangerous... if the driver ignores their own limitations, ignores the limitations of their equipment, ignores their environment and/or fails to give driving their full attention.
Many people do not know what they don't know. Simply put, they don't know if they are exceeding their limitations. The margin for error is little when you lose control of your vehicle with a trailer following behind.

jimmini's points about which lane to drive in is huge to me.

I do some of that even when i don't have a trailer. For example, when I see slow drivers driving in the right most lane that usually involves people entering and exiting the freeway I think to myself of all of the chances that are being taken for each event. Why do that? It's adding lots of risk.

There is no training for how to handle losing control of the rig for most people. Prevention through anticipation of a situation is the answer. Anticipate stops. Anticipate what will happen if someone darts in front of you.

Remember those defensive driving videos? They actually mean a lot more when pulling a trailer. Sometimes situations are unavoidable though and in those cases you can't be in a hurry. You have to make yourself seen better. Lights on. Anticipate the idiot drivers, leave yourself an out of the lane if necessary.

How many of you actually are engaged at all times like that? I think driver limitation can be complacency because it's a long haul and boredom sets in. What's your copassenger doing? Reading, sleeping? No one helping you to be engaged? It happens.
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I was taught (drivers ed) maintain 1 car length for every 10 mph from the vehicle ahead of you and double that when towing. The "idiots" think I am leaving that space for them. I just had several incidents where someone passed me only to cut me off to exit the highway.
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As a single woman I can REALLY appreciate how much help a good co-pilot could be. I updated the truck's GPS recently but still got bad directions due to ongoing construction and signage that was missing or confusing.

Recently I saw a 70's Airstream being towed southbound out of Atlanta at over 80 MPH. There is a line between confidence and stupid.... IMHO that driver went aboit 20 MPH past that line.
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