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Old 06-06-2012, 07:10 PM   #1
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First off, if this is not the correct location for this thread, i apologize.

Also, I'm starting this thread a couple weeks into the gutting phase:


Front of camper.


Rear of camper.

I'm planning on doing a shell off restoration. I'm a huge fan of knowing exactly what shape the 'StreamDream' is in. I'm a newbie to the airstream resto game and I'm going to need all the help I can get. The scariest part of this process is figuring out the order to do everything, so my first question is: Once i finish gutting the inside, what should be my next step? Upon completely clearing out the interior, is there an order of operations for getting to the shell removal? For what it's worth, I'm planning on lifting the shell from the top using gantry cranes.

Any and all suggestions are welcomed and appreciated!
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Old 06-06-2012, 07:51 PM   #2
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First off, if this is not the correct location for this thread, i apologize.
Now it is. No harm... No foul. Good luck on your project.

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Old 06-07-2012, 04:39 AM   #3
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After getting the interior out I would figure out how you plan to raise the shell. But the next step is to remove the endcaps (very carefully) and the interior skins.

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Old 06-07-2012, 07:20 AM   #4
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Congrats

You have started a big undertaking.

Good luck. The effort my '78 took was certainly worth it.

I lived in my finished product for the first four months of this year while the "fishing camp" was being finished at the Texas Airstream Harbor on Lake Sam Rayburn in East Texas.

Some of the things I did that have turned out to be really beneficial, in relative order of importance:

  • LP/Electric water heater
  • Dual roof AC's
  • Second electric feed for the above and an additional heater
  • Additional electric outlets around the interior
  • Additional insulation
  • Pre-wire any anticipated electrical system (sound, video, internet)
  • New china commode, remove wall adjacent to commode
Purchase an air operated rivet puller if you do not already have one.



Number everything you remove and mark the orientation with a permanent marker on the back of the piece at several places. This will help A LOT when you go to reassemble it. Keep a map of the location from which the pieces were removed. Document (photograph?) each piece as it is removed.



Anything you do keep an eye to maintenance or removal - i.e. don't make anything "permanent".


Axles, of course, are a given. Do lots of homework on axles - get what you want...smooth ride is of the utmost importance.

Search and compare bedroom layouts - everything is a compromise - pretty much everything has been tried in the '78. Right now I am giving serious consideration to going back to a North/South Queen. Might have to remove the rear driver side bulkhead to make it work properly.

See my signature line - "...do it right the first time".

It will be neither quick nor inexpensive.

Make as many rallies as you can where there will be restored vintage units. Most everyone who has done a rebuild will be glad to share what they ran into and what worked and what didn't work with you.

Good Luck
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:07 AM   #5
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After getting the interior out I would figure out how you plan to raise the shell
I plan on lifting the shell from above using 2 homemade gantry cranes. I've seen a couple threads where this was used and I think i would be most comfortable using this method. My only drawback is finding a hard flat surface to lower the shell onto as i work on the frame/floor.

@87MH - I agree with your list although I do not have an A/C currently, but will probably look to install one later. I especially like the idea of prewiring for technology. I've been documenting and mapping out everything that we've removed so far, but alot of it is ruined from rodent excrement and such. We plan on keeping everything we can if only to use as templates for making new furnishings/structures.

The reason for my question about order of operations is that I'm trying to eliminate extra work by getting the general idea of what order to approach this beast of a task. Currently, I plan on removing the interior skin after everything is taken out. I'd like to strip the vinyl of the upper panels but leave the vinyl in place on the lower panels and just paint them. Any recommendations on chemical to use to remove the vinyl from the interior skins?

As an aside, (and because I know airforums users like pictures) Here's a pic of my horrible bumper situation:



I know there will be extensive welding needed, but has anyone experienced this situation? If so, any alternatives?

Thanks in advanced, it's greatly appreciated.
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Progress:



Removed the exposed copper and avb drain/vent pipes. Saw a wicked hole in the floor that was previously covered with plywood by the PO. See below:


After removing the rear walls, i noticed something interesting about one of the rear windows. Apparently the PO replaced the screens but didnt reinstall the windows properly:

Yup, thats light you're seeing between the wall and the window trim.

Anyone use Pex (sp?) instead of copper for the water lines? I'd like to replace the copper.

All in all, not a bad birthday.
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:38 PM   #7
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Funny you should mention pex.... I was sitting in my gutted 75 Sovereign today trying to figure out what I was going to need to swap out the copper for the Pex. I am going to buy the Pex in the straight 10'/20' sticks in red and blue then cut and fit. Still trying to puzzle out the valve configuration that AS used and what to use to replace them. I am going to my local plumbing supply house later in the week and wander the aisles and see what looks like it will work. I also need to pick up a bunch of LP shut off valves. Every one of my original ones are corroded into the on position. I was at Lowe's over the weekend and they had the valve on the display but no shelf hanger for them. No sticks of Pex either.

Plan on moving the water inlet up higher on the side of the trailer to get it away from the sewer dump area. Plan on using this one.

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Try some penetrating lube on your LP shutoffs. I was able to salvage all of mine after soaking them for a day or so.
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@Aaron: You've peaked my curiosity about moving the water inlet. If that is something you end up doing, I'd be interested to hear/read about it. So far, I've only seen one shutoff valve and that was for the toilet.

As far as the LP goes, I would love to switch to all electric as I would rather run new circuits than new gas lines. If I do stick with gas, I'll be looking for alternatives to copper.

I've decided to do interior skin removal next. From there i'll be looking to fully weatherproof from the top down. There's no reason to even look at the floor until the leaks are fixed.
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@Aaron: You've peaked my curiosity about moving the water inlet. If that is something you end up doing, I'd be interested to hear/read about it. So far, I've only seen one shutoff valve and that was for the toilet.

As far as the LP goes, I would love to switch to all electric as I would rather run new circuits than new gas lines. If I do stick with gas, I'll be looking for alternatives to copper.

I've decided to do interior skin removal next. From there i'll be looking to fully weatherproof from the top down. There's no reason to even look at the floor until the leaks are fixed.
I am going to move it up near the belt line just ahead of the vertical panel break where the side sheets join the rear end sheets. From there it will tie back into the water system. Everything else will stay where it is now, just going to replace the copper with pex. My trailer has 7 or 8 valves in the water system, they are for isolating various things like toilet or water heater and to allow the system to be drained down in the winter time.

My copper LP lines all look to be fine, I will pressure test the system and some of the individual lines just to be safe. I tried to free up a couple of the valves and don't feel comfortable with them at 37 years of age. So new valves are going to go in.

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Old 06-18-2012, 02:21 PM   #11
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Update: Interior Skin Removal

This has been a busy weekend. All the interior skins have been removed (the photos show the endcaps but they've been removed as well).



Also removed the banana wraps/side wraps in preparation for the underbelly removal. Looking at the outriggers, I'm scared to see what the rest of the frame looks like. The hardest part is continuing to drill through each giant wave of panic as each piece comes off and the "scope" of the project just seems to blow up.




It rained today and I've found about 4 small areas leaking, two of which are the rear tail light housings(may as well been two holes in the back of the coach). Planning on having the underbelly removed and most of the leaks spotted/repaired by next weekend.

Still trying to line up someone with a welder and the skill/knowledge to use it.
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So its been an interesting week or so. I've begun work on removing the underbelly and I'm half way through. I read a thread that talked about not using a drill and just chiseling the rivets out and I have to say I agree wholeheartedly with that.

I'll post pics of the progress soon while I hunt down alternatives to the current vents used for the water vent pipes.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:45 PM   #13
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Crazy weekend. The belly is off and although I felt comfortable with my plan of attack, there is alot of doubt and mystery now. The frame needs extensive work so the shell is definitely coming off. I felt confident about building the gantry cranes and the actual lift process until i got a good look at the profile of the c-channel:

I was hoping to leave the c-channel attached to the shell when lifting off so i can then attach 2x4's along the channel to allow me to set the shell on the ground. With the lower c-channel lip, it would appear that i have to leave the channel on the floor. If I'm wrong (i hope i am) please feel free to chime in.
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