New Safari Sport Coming!!!

[2airishuman]

Originally Posted by Midamrail

the charge for modifications was recently raised to $500, so I would assume this applies to awning color deviations as well.

the a/s modification charge has been 500$ for years...

zipdee charges 250 for the fabric variation.

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2air'

[Midamrail]

Aha! Thanks for the clarification.

[wahoonc]

Originally Posted by gmorris

Sofa converts to a 74"X46" bed

Dinette is 60"X83"

G

Thanks...one of these days Airstream will learn to post FULL specifications.

Aaron

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Originally Posted by soldiermedic

Here's a question.

Is the 4000 lbs GVWR for towing only, or can I carry gear in my car, and bring it into the trailer once I am set up for camp?

That makes a difference for me.

Steve

Hi, I would say yes to 4,000 lbs GVWR for towing and when you don't have the stabilizer jacks lowered.

[thenewkid64]

Originally Posted by azflycaster

I was looking at the numbers for these units and it seems as if the base weight and GVWR are pretty close.
On the 22 foot unit the base weight is 3300 pounds and the GVWR is 4000. That gives you 700 pounds to play with. The numbers on the 17 foot unit are even less with only a 500 pound margin.

If you go with the AC, awning and microwave subtract another 200 pounds.
60 pounds of propane and 30 gallons of water (not sure of tank size) and you need to suntract another 300 pounds.

With just those items you have maxed out the 17 footer and the 22 footer has only enough capasity for 200 pounds of other stuff.

Has anyone else looked at these numbers????

There is one number that most posters are overlooking. Tongue weight. If you take a 4000# trailer, tongue weight is 4-500 LBS depending on the % you use to calc. This is weight that is transferred to the TV, giving more capacity. This may also be the difference in the ratings for Canada vs. US models. Same components, different way of doing the rating (SWAG on my part).

[2airishuman]

Originally Posted by thenewkid64

...tongue weight is 4-500 LBS depending on the % you use to calc. This is weight that is transferred to the TV, giving more capacity. ...

sorry brett, i don't think so....

this seems to be a common myth/misunderstanding.

tongue weight is included in the gvwr and rightly so...

the trailer frame/running gear still carry it and w/d gear actually INCREASES the stress on the frame/tongue/axles.

perhaps you'd like to explain this further...

Originally Posted by thenewkid64

This may also be the difference in the ratings for Canada vs. US models. Same components, different way of doing the rating.

no, the csa model gets a different axle with a HIGHER rating...
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2air'