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Old 03-09-2004, 04:01 PM   #41
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Thanks for the info on the tanks and insulation....I'll be breathing easier now!

You're right about the rear setup being the same as the Bambi.....as for the black tank being heated...it really doesn't need it as the bulk of the tank is above the floor. If you look at the head, you'll see it's raised. The tanks south of the floor have the heat ducts, but since the black one on the Safari C and Bambi 19' are partially above floor, heat from the coach and the fact that it's "inside" will keep it from freezing (provided heat is on during the winter if used as the contents will freeze if left with liquids in them and left for the duration of the winter to sit).

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David:

I see you got an answer to your question. Grey is 21 and black is 18 according to my manual.

Since I do not have my Bambi yet, I can't check the grey/black configuration. I think you are probably right, that since there is not a dedicated duct to the black, AS says it is not heated. I wonder just how much heated air could actually reach the black tank based on your idea that it would flow around the grey tank?
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Eric:

I would use RV anti-freeze in the black tank, per the manual, to be safe. While I have not seen the tanks, I suppose that information is there for a reason? The manual also mentions that the anti-freeze will protect any "below floor drain plumbing if used in temperatures below the freezing point".
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Quite a bit in fact

Luckydc,
Understand that A/S just cut a hole in the floor, shoved the duct into it and pointed it at the gray tank. The gray tank sits totally below the floorline as well as extending below the underbelly (in an enclosure). The area adjacent to this is where the black tank resides straddling the floorline, so it is exposed to the underbelly as well as the interior or the Bambi. The ONLY exit from the underbelly for the airflow (without an exit, there can be no flow of air and therefore NO heating), is around the gap surrounding the black tank. This is not a small gap understand. At the sides it is about 2" and at the lavatory end it is several inches. I do not know if A/S did any baffling in the underbelly for the airflow, but based on using a smoke stick there is significant airflow around the sides of the black tank anytime the gas heater is running. Based on what I observed, I would say that the black tank could actually be getting more heat than the curbside of the gray tank (ie back side opposite where the heating duct enters.)
Remember, they are only trying to keep the tank above freezing, NOT warm. There can be no doubt that warm air is rising around the blacktank as the floor of the shower is kept warm and the only source for that heat is the air coming from the underbelly via the opening around the black tank (which extends into the shower area under the sitting area of the shower).

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David:

Understood. On another note, can you please tell me about your TV setup? Where did you get the arm? Was it difficult to install? What kind of TV did you get? One option I didn't get was the entertainment package. At over $2K is seemed kinda high. I like the look of your TV.

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Hello...

I sent off an inquiry to Airstream about our trailer yesterday, and here is their response:

"Your trailer is scheduled to start tomorrow 4-16-04. I am not sure we will
be able to take pictures with the schedule we are having the time is short
for this type of service.

Congratulations on your new trailer purchase.

Thank you,

Jim"

OK. So now I'm wigging out big time, and as you can see by my avatar, that could take up lots of real estate....

Luckydc- thanks for the Treg info. It almost seems for around the same price as a Tahoe, one could get into a basic 8 cyl. Toureg.....hmmmmm.

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Congrats!

Jonathan,

If you really want those pictures, try emailing Mitch Bailey at tech@airstream.com. He is one helleva guy and will TRY to get you pictures, if he can. He was fantastic to me. But it is model change over time so maybe they are too busy at Jackson Center.

Anyway, it won't be long now. The best advice for these weeks of waiting is to keep busy. It goes quicker. Keep us posted.
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Hi Big Dee.

You know a few months ago you mentioned Mitch. When I contacted AS, they said he is no longer with the company.

It sounds like they are really busy there.

Thanks for the reply.

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Wow that sucks. A/S lost a good employee there. Well my "in" at the factory is no more.
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I just spoke with my sales fellow at Paul Sherry in Piqua, Ohio. My CCD will be arriving at the dealership in 45 minutes!!!!!

(New underwear, please.)

They will need somewhere around 5 hours to prep. I will be leaving Chicago on Monday AM with frozen pizzas(to check oven), short sleave shirts(to check furnace), dirty dishes from house (to check plumbing) and plenty of booze(to check liver).

I have striped the Eurovan of seats, windows, carpeting, radio, and the reverse gear since I'll only be confident in only going forward with this thing for the next coupla years.

Did I mention I'll be bringing some beer?

I won't be posting from the road, as my wife needs the laptop at home to comunicate with her next husband

So, imagine if you will, Curley of the 3 stoooges making some weird sounds, and then you will pretty much have a picture of me!

Toodles.

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Crazy,
If you haven't already taken a tour of the factory, you really should while you are SO close. Jackson Center is a fairly short drive from Piqua (just east of I75). Might as well see where the conception occurred...

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David is right. Going south on I-75, you'll pass the exit to Jackson Center before you get to Paul Sherry. They have a small campground called the "Terra-Port" on the East side of the Service Center (i.e. you turn left just PAST the service center). Personally, I'd spend a night there checking everything out and let them, not PS, fix any problems if they can work you in (and they're pretty good about that). And you can take the tour while they're doing that.
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To give you an idea of just how much my wife loves me, in March of 2003 we did take the factory tour.....the day we did that tour was our eleventh aniversary!!!!

It is a really cool place. Being a photographer, I would love to spend about a week or so in there and photograph every stage of a trailer being built, and of coarse submit them for publication in the new Airstream Life Mag.

Thanks for the suggestion, though

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David is right. Going south on I-75, you'll pass the exit to Jackson Center before you get to Paul Sherry.
When you exit off I-75 you will be heading east to Jackson Center. If you go one mile west off that same exit, you'll run into a great resturant. It sits on a corner all by itself with a big gravel parking lot. You can't miss it. I forgot the name but its heads and tails above anything in Jackson Center.

The cafe in front of the motel next door to the Airstream Service Center is not too good. Keep in mind if your trailer is in the service building you might get a little hungry when lunch time approaches.

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The Alumadome is home!!!!

Just settling in from picking up the trailer yesterday. Have to catch up but here are some photos.

Should I put my impressions on this forum or tracking the quality..04 forum?

Here you go:

http://www.levinphotography.com/as/

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Jonathan,

Nice lookin' rig! How's it pull with the VW? I hope your quality is super high but post any problems to http://www.airforums.com/forum...5964#post95964

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Here you go....

This is long, so get yourself something to eat or drink and read on...

First off, thanks to everyone on this list that helped me make an educated decision regarding Airstream, both new and used.

Monday AM I drove five and a half hours from Chicago to Piqua, Ohio to be met at the front of Paul Sherry RV by Jerry Penley, my salesman. We immediately went out and did a walk-around. On the walk around, Jerry found two very small dings on the aluminum just above the curbside stone guard and and almost identical twin to that one on the street-side. There was also a small rock-like ding on the actual rock-guard street-side, so I guess it did it’s job. There was also a small dent on the black metal part of the trailer that is between the bottom trim piece and curves under the trailer to attach to the belly pans. You only see this by getting on your hands and knees.

Meanwhile, I am still in awe over the fact that I now have an Airstream after all this time of driving my wife nuts with all thing Airstream and did not really say anything about the ding matter, but Jerry was not happy about it! Through out the almost three days “camping” at the dealership, about a half dozen people looked, probed, and prodded into this ding-thing: service, managers, the guy who actually pick the trailer up from the factory, calls made to Airstream.

What is suppose to happen is the guy that picks the trailer up at AS goes over to make sure there is no damage. The gentleman who picked up my trailer admitted to me the worst time for them to pick up trailers is when it has snowed, or when it is raining. The rain makes it hard for them to see any little blemishes. It was raining when my coach was picked up.

I walked around the lot to look at about 20 other new units that were there to see if any of them had any “delivery” damage. Most did not, though one had a minor scratch.

What I am thinking at this point: Am I going to be able to live with this? The marks are very small, they are not going to rust. but it was very obvious that the only way to take care of this matter is to replace the two end panel sheets of aluminum, drilling rivets, pulling the door frame, and in my opinion, possibly opening up a whole can of worms. There is always the possibility that the first time I go out and a bolt, rock, evil politician, or something else will fly out of nowhere and do the same thing. On the way to the dealership, something hit the hood of my Eurovan and put two rather larger nicks in the paint, even with a bra!!!

I am thinking of leaving this as it is. Not because the dealership does not want to make it right, but I see this as something that I will notice even less, the more “character” my trailer gets from road use.

I also suppose that had the people at Paul Sherry NOT made such a big deal out of this, then my intentions might have been swayed by their idefference and lack of care for the customer. They really were more concerned about this than me, and I think of myself as pretty much a nit-picker. Had these blemishes been much larger may have made a decision on what to do much easier to make.

They are a superb lot of people. More on Paul Sherry later.

Moving on, the trailer in a word is beautiful, and as I would expect from an overworked and underpaid crew at Airstream, there are little flaws here and there.

The way I see it, if Airsteams were built in Hanover, Germany or Bavaria with strict tolerances, they would be absolutely flawless....and my $35,000 trailer would cost $120,000 dollars!!!!

It is what it is.

Since Paul Sherry had two other 19’ CCD’s and a few Safari Bambi’s, I was able to crawl around those units to compare certain idiosyncrasies with my unit. Very convenient indeed.

When I arrived at Sherry, they had my unit hooked up, fridge on, furnace, lights, all systems were working as they should. Great!

BTW, setting the fridge to 7 will freeze a bag of salad quickly, and that was going to be my dinner, and the pizza place across from Paul Sherry burned down not to long ago. Thank heavens for my Tombstone Pizza.

This seems obvious, but I was delightfully suprised that all the appliances except the oven are electronic ignition. For some reason, I packed enough of those long lighter things to start a new Chicago fire!!! I guess I thought I’d be crawling all over the place lighting this and that. It is a little odd that the ignition for the hot water heater is right next to the vanity sink. It would have been nice if that were in a cabinet, or somewhere out of sight, and out out the reach of curious hands. Oh well.

The water tank was filled, pump goes on anytime you turn a faucet on. I used the toilet, but I will let the wife poop in it first, as she is the Queen and has this unmentionable task. It was highly recommended that we use the Tethford brand TP. I also through a packet of the blue tank stuff in the toilet.

The Sony CD/AM-FM is incomprehensible!!! I work on a Mac, I can work on a PC, but the stereo will take some time to master. It does seem to work though. If you push and hold the off button, it will turn off the whole unit and the accompanying light show. Or just put the round pizza cardboard from the Tombstone in front of it to block the light. Do this only if you have had 5 or six Negra Modelos.

After spending the first night in the unit, I wrote out my punch list for service:

1. Bathroom door not shutting properly- the strike plate needs to be morticed into the door frame just a bit. Fixed.

2. The main door did not seem to close very tightly. That was fixed because I did not close it hard enough! Works fine. Fixed.

3. The univolt/converter/inverter thing looked as if it were installed unevenly. This would have made me nuts!!! They straightened that out.

4. Oven did not light on “Pilot” setting, only on “Warm”. I was lighting it in the wrong place!!!

5. The outside blemish things as mentioned above, which they are still working on as I write this.

6. Battery for smoke detector missing. Fixed, but I wish it wasn’t because it goes off anytime I light the stove. That is real annoying before my first cup of coffee in the morning. Why did Airstream mount the detector above the dinette, and not in the bedroom??? If I move, I end up with two screw holes to deal with.

Tuesday night was my firstime behind the wheel of the Eurovan with the trailer hitched using the Equilizer system, and Prodigy controller.

I pulled out of the dealership driveway, and about 400 feet later, there is a woman at a gas station looking at me, and decides to try to make here turn- ABOUT TWO FEET IN FRONT OF ME!

The brake controller works! I skidded to an even stop, and the lady in the explorer went off the road!!! I did not get out of the VW to mince words.
My first drive was excellent after that. You definitely know the trailer is there, but the V-Dub handles her well.

And that, ladies and gentlemen was my list.

On my second night, I had a faulty LP detector, which rang continuously from 2:30AM until service opened at 8:00AM. I now had a headache on both sides of my brain: one from the beer, and one from the LP alarm. I tried to silence the alarm by putting my underwear and clothes in front of it, but I think my stinky laundry made it worse!!!

The furnace was malfunctioning due to an arc from the start capacitor, to a blue wire. The symptom would be the furnace trying to start the main burner, but it would fail after three ignition attempts, and then a little red LED would flash inside the furnace.

After the furnace was taken care of yesterday morning, it was time for me to go. I did my first dump at the dealers little dump station and found it oddly arousing!!!

My Prodigy is set at 6.0 and B1, whatever that means. Service thought this is a good start, and that I should read the instructions too. They also told me about just using the controller to slow the trailer as well, in a wagging situation.

After realizing that I put the water supply hose on the city water intake on the trailer and correctly hooked into the tank flush, that went fine too.

The ride home was uneventful, though I definitely hear a creaking sound that I under stand is the sway control doing it’s thing. You hear at very low speeds especially. Maybe it’s a lube thing.

When any trucks, cars or any speeding vehicle passed, I did not notice any sway. In fact, the van seems to sway worse when I am not towing anything. Interesting.

The drive from Ohio to Chicago is very flat. I did keep the transmission in third when going up any kind of incline, but when it became flat again I put the V-Dub back in Drive.

At home, the wife was very pleased. Both with the fact that I got home alive, and that we got a real cool trailer. I am not sure in which order though...

Finally, I can only highly recommend the folks at Paul Sherry. They did not even bill my credit card for the deposit on the trailer!!! Thanks to Jerry, Jake and Dale in Service, Tina in finance (no more caffeine for her, though), even the other sales people who did not make the sale with me where very friendly and outgoing.

And a final note, while I was a the dealership, a woman came up to me and asked whether or not I wanted the dealer sticker on my unit. She said she asks people, because sometimes they don’t want another sticker on their unit. I took their sticker, and put it in my Airstream notebook. She also gave me a cool plastic raised letter one that looks neat enough where I might just go ahead and put that one on.

Good night.

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Exactly 2 years later....

My how time flies....when you're in debt.

Looking back at the last post I made 2 years ago, there must have been a sale on Sudafed (the good stuff) because I seem to jabor on like a meth-amphetamine addict in heat!

Anyway...

just wanted to note that I no longer noticed the little factory equiped dings. They are covered with bugs and bird poop.

Got to give it first out-of-warrenty bath soon.

things are fine, but i lust for that 23' ccd safari le se xlt thing...thank suh lot twink,

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