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Old 03-08-2004, 02:13 PM   #29
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Our 19' Bambi sure did.

I thought that the 22' units were the only ones for some reason that did not get it. I also thought that this was changed and that new 22' units now also have the underside enclosed.

The 25' also has an enclosed underside.

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Old 03-08-2004, 06:39 PM   #30
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My dealer reports that the '04 22' CCD has an enclosed belly whereas the '03's did not except as an option.
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Old 03-08-2004, 07:58 PM   #31
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The UNDERbelly story

In the beginning, the CCD was a SINGLE model of trailer. It was a test to see if the concept would sell. A/S initially did NOT plan the CCD to have an underbelly. When the first models of the 22' were delivered and people started raising hell about the lack of a heated underbelly, A/S did an about face and once again, ALL A/S now have underbellys. On the 22CCD, A/S could not figure out a good way to heat the holding tanks with the gas furnace, so they included a heated pad that runs off 12V). As far as I know the 22' units were the only A/S delivered without the underbelly and that was just for the initial year of production.


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Old 03-09-2004, 09:50 AM   #32
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David.

This is my understanding as well. I think the Bambi's underside gets a little heat from the furnace via some sort of opening/duct to the underside. I am glad about this because if we do any cold weather camping I'd hate to bring bales of hay to pack around the borttom of the trailer for insulation. I don't think my Home depot in Chicago even carries hay....

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Old 03-09-2004, 01:57 PM   #33
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Yes the Bambi holding tanks are heated

Jonathan,
There is a duct that runs from the heater to just under the lavatory area where it enters the underbelly. The heated air circulates around both tanks and reenters the trailer thru the lavatory cabinet area by exhausting around a gap on the sides of the black tank that sits partially above and partially below the flooring level. As a side effect, it warms the shower floor as well. Of course this does NOT heat the tanks when the heatpump is in use, but once the outside temp drop below 35, the gas heater kicks in anyway. I have been thinking about putting a small grill in the front of the raised platform that the toilet sits on as that would allow the heat to enter the bathroom, which lacks direct heating or any kind. I know there is room, in fact, there is room to install a thin 12V fan to force the circulation into the bath area. Oh the continued wish list of things to add.....

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Old 03-09-2004, 02:07 PM   #34
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I knew that there was a heat pipe going to the tanks, but I didn't know it came back in the coach.

My issue with that is the fiberglass that is inside the belly. Couldn't that enter the coach?

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Insulation

Eric,
I could see quite a bit of the area around the black tank as well as where the heating duct entered the underbelly and there was no loose insulation to be seen. In addition, loose insulation would not be good in the holding tank area as the air from the gas furnace has to circulate to heat the holding tanks. I suspect that A/S must be using some other type of insulating material that ensures air can circulate (ie styrofoam maybe?). Since the air from the furnace is under pressure, if there was any loose fiberglass type insulation, I think I would have seen some of it when I was exploring.

As your 25SS is pretty much the same layout in the rear as the Bambi, I suspect the exact same setup in your new rig.


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I may have gotten in late on this discussion, but I have been reading the owners manual for the 2004 Safari line today (downloaded it). Ok, I don't get my Bambi until late April, but I'll be prepared!

Anyway, the manual says the black water tank in the Bambi is NOT heated or insulated. In freezing conditions, RV anti-freeze is required.
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follow-up - manual says all Safari modeels except teh 22' and Bambi have ducted to tanks. 22' has 12v volt heat pads. Bambi - feash water above fllor, grey has 2" duct, black not heated.
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Maybe a change for 2004

I can't say if A/S changed the design, but I CAN say that in 2002, the Bambi HAD heated gray and black holding tanks. There was a HUGE discussion on this back with the 22CCD was discovered to not even have an underbelly. I personally inspected our Bambi and found the heating duct going into the underbelly near the gray and black tanks and tested the air flow with a smoke stick to find that the air pushed into the area returned to the interior space of the Bambi around the black tank which straddles the floorlevel (tank goes from under toilet to almost back of trailer on roadside).

I DO know that even with the newer 22CCDs that there is NO heated air directed to the underbelly. A/S just installed a 12V heating pad under the tanks.

Even if A/S has stopped heating the tanks, the furnace is made to support remote ducts so it could be retrofitted with the same flex duct tube that my unit has. A/S just drilled a hole in the floor under the lavatory and fixed the duct to that hole. Like I said the return was via the cutout area in the floor where the black tank is situated.

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What size black tank is A/S listing for 04 bambi

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I am curious, what size holding tank is A/S listing for the 04 19'Bambi. The reason I ask is that prior to my specific Bambi, they only had 8 gallon tanks that were totally above the floorline. Then when the 25SS was designed (has the same layout in the bed/bath as the Bambi), A/S designed a new holding tank that held 18 gallons, but had to straddle the floorline, partways above and partways below. Starting with my Bambi, they went to the common black tank layout between the 25CC and the 19' Bambi as everything else was already common in the bath area. If your info is showing that the gray tank is still heated with a 2" duct, then the airflow should still circulated over and out around the black tank as in my Bambi.

Maybe A/S is being very specific that a dedicated duct to the black tank does not exist, but the hot air duct is actually only inches from the black tank but it is directed at the gray tank which sets in an enclosure that actually extends below the underbelly as well as inside the underbelly. Any air that flows around the gray tank has to exit and at least in the 02 Bambi that return is around the black tank and then back into the A/S via the lavatory cabinet area.

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Gray water- 21 gallon
Black- 18 gallon

This according to the latest version of catalog that came out several months ago.

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Thanks for the info on the tanks and insulation....I'll be breathing easier now!

You're right about the rear setup being the same as the Bambi.....as for the black tank being heated...it really doesn't need it as the bulk of the tank is above the floor. If you look at the head, you'll see it's raised. The tanks south of the floor have the heat ducts, but since the black one on the Safari C and Bambi 19' are partially above floor, heat from the coach and the fact that it's "inside" will keep it from freezing (provided heat is on during the winter if used as the contents will freeze if left with liquids in them and left for the duration of the winter to sit).

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David:

I see you got an answer to your question. Grey is 21 and black is 18 according to my manual.

Since I do not have my Bambi yet, I can't check the grey/black configuration. I think you are probably right, that since there is not a dedicated duct to the black, AS says it is not heated. I wonder just how much heated air could actually reach the black tank based on your idea that it would flow around the grey tank?
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