Hi, I'm new to the forum, and would like to say right up front how impressed I am with the quality and quantity of first-rate info here!
I have a 2002 Safari 19-footer, and would like to better outfit her for long-term dry camping. Has anyone with a similar unit installed solar power? In snooping around access panels and such, I find several 10-ga. wires marked "SP" which I assume is pre-wiring for solar. How complicated is the install, and does anyone know if Airstream does it at the factory?
I also want to upgrade my black tank, which is unfortunately only 8 gallons. I have heard of a (19-gallon?) retrofit, and wonder if anyone has had it done?
Thanks in advance for any help and/or other suggestions in outfitting for long-term boondocking.
Congratulations on your new Airstream and welcome to the Forums. You will find many helpful people here ready to help you get things going.
Does your manual say anything about the wiring? Did you get the repair manuals with your purchase? These will have a electrical schematic in it.
Instead of getting into enlarging your waste tank, you might consider an external ToteTank. Pretty inexpensive and no installation needed. You can leave it at home when not needed.
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Welcome. Sounds like you have a 19' Bambi (8' wide, single axle) rather than a Safari (8.5' wide, dual axles). AFAIK, the smallest Safari made in '02 was the 23' and had a lot more tank capacity than that.
In '02, the 19' Bambi came with an 8 gal black water tank before unit 514492, and an 18 gal tank after this unit. You might contact Airstream to see if it's possible to upgrade yours... maybe not due to the frame, but then again perhaps so... I'm certainly not an expert on Airstreams... I expect it'll be a lot more expensive than carrying a tote tank.
Depends on what you mean by dry-camping. If you're talkin' campgrounds with no sewer hookups with a central dump station, a tote tank will work.
You'll normally generate a lot more grey water than black water, and will need a tote tank to empty it before you need to empty the 8 gal black water tank. If you get a 10 gal tote tank to empty the black water tank, you'll probably have to make two trips for the grey water after that, which will help rinse the black water out of it.
But if you're talkin' out in the boonies with no dump station, where you can drain the grey water on the ground, the tank upgrade may be better. It would be no picnic to lift a 10 gal tote tank full of black water up into the bed of a truck, especially if it's 4WD. Keep in mind you'll usually have to go through several tanks of fresh water to generate one 8 gal tank of black water.
With regard to solar, check the size of the battery Airstream provided, and get the specs here:
If you want decent life from the battery, you don't want to discharge it below 50% of its capacity. The lower the amperage draw, the longer it will last (i.e. the more amp-hours it has). If it's an Interstate SRM-24, you can get about 8 hours at 5 amps (40 AH) without dropping below 50%. You'll need about 10% more than that in charge, 44AH, to replace that much. And you don't want to charge the battery at much more than 10% of it's 80AH rating.
A 120 Watt (17 volt open circuit X 7 amp short circuit) Kyocera panel will generate an average of about 5 amps (70% of peak rating) over a 5 hour (summer day) period (with a real peak of 6+ amps), or 25AH... not enough to replace 50% discharge, so you'll want to hold usage down to discharge an SRM-24 battery to no lower than 2/3 charge if you want to be able to fully recharge it with this panel the next day (assuming a sunny day).
Your Airstream manual should tell you where the panel hookup is.
Hi, and thanks for the replies. The actual designation of my Airstream is somewhat confused. The purchase agreement lists it as a 2002 model year Safari. The actual date of manufacture on the VIN plate is 6/18/01. The manual is for "2002 Safari/Bambi Trailers" and covers from 16-foot Bambi to 27-foot Safari. Scematics for the 19-footer refer to it as a Bambi, but as you can see from the photo, it carries the Safari markings. Also sports a 70th Anniversary emblem (see my avatar) "1931-1991".
In any event, I found on the appropriate electrical scematic the 10-ga. wires marked as "SOLAR PNL. PREWIRE". My actual question is: does anybody have any experience in adding a solar system to a pre-wired unit? Is it something a moderately competent person should attempt? If it isn't, who should I contract to do the install? Do solar power "Kits" take into account the pre-wiring? I realize these questions may seem basic, but solar electric might as well be nuclear fusion for all I know about it.
They had a 19-footer marked Safari on the lot when I bought my International. When I asked about it, they said that it was an Airstream foul-up and Airstream was sending them Bambi markings to replace the Safari markings. Apparently, A/S had a change of heart as to what to call it halfway through the model year.
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The 2001 model year was the 70th Anniversary, and new year trailers come out in Aug-Sep, like cars, so with that manufacture date, and the anniversary emblem, I'd say it's an unusual 2001... especially with the Safari emblems (that's definitely a Bambi). I'd call Airstream with the serial number and ask what model and year they have it listed as. It's pretty unique for sure... consider it a collectible!
An SRM-27 is a little larger (17hrs X 5A=85AH) than a 24, and should theoretically give you 8.5 hours at 5 amps to discharge to 50% (the lowest you ever want to take a battery) or 4.25 hours at 5 amps to discharge down to 75% (about the lowest you want to go for maximum battery life).
To charge it up fully from 75% charge in 5 hours would require an average charge about 10% more than 4.25 A... about 4.7 A, divided by .7 for 6.7 A peak, times 17 volts = 115 watts of panels and one 120W panel should cover this. To charge it up fully from 50% in 5 hours would take two 120W panels. Even if you just go with one 120W panel, I'd get a 16A or larger controller in case you want to add another panel. I'd also get tilt mounts... gives you more flexibilty parking.
I'll leave the details to someone who's actually installed one or can recommend a place to do it.
THOSE WERE MY EXACT WORDS..IT'S VERY UNQUIE~!! Almost like a stamp printed upside down~!!
KEWL~! From what I was lead to believe, you should be able to just plug it in...Your unit is already wired for the solar panel.
I would say this abt the solar panel..Look for one that has the round solar chips..They work better and, should last longer as well.~!! I have seen several websites that you might want to check out.
cactushead, I installed a 120 watt solar panel on my 2001 25' Safari. It is a realitively easy task since Airstream had the insight to pre-wire for solar. Your service manual should indicate where your wires are located. There should be a red and black wire from the 12-volt panel and a yellow and green wire from the solar panel (mine was actually located in the refer access door). The location where these 4 wires converge is where you should install the charge controller. I'm not sure how much real estate you have on top of your Bambi so you should measure first and then check out the web sites for dimensions of various size panels. I replaced the group27 battery with two 6-volt golf cart batteries. I live in southern California so there is usually enough sun to recharge them. I considered installing a tilt up frame but decided against because I didn't want to carry a ladder.
Hope this helps. If you need more details let me know.
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Call Rod Walters at A/S customer service or e-mail Airstream service and they will send you the instructions to wire up your solar panel to the pre-wire that is installed. Its very easy and does take into account the kits that are our there.
Shell bought out the Siemens Solar division and have a very well, but pricey, solar kit in various sizes.
Basically, mount the solar panel to the roof, run the wires down the refer vent to the pre- wires in the outside refer compartment and hook up the charge controller to the pre-wires that are generally behind the tank moonitor panel.
Thanks very much for the replys! I will definitely email Rod at Airstream for the instructions regarding the prewire. I have just rec'd the catalog for RV Solar Electric and will most likely be purchasing a kit from them.
Will let you all know how it turns out, thanks again!
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