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Old 07-28-2013, 06:47 PM   #29
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Hi on my lower "vista views" I used a dense foam used for insulation, 6 years later, and it is fine. My upper vista views were replaced with single pane in some other life and the leak
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Old 01-26-2014, 10:01 PM   #30
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On Jan 26, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Jack Gruer <mossiyjack@gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings, Jack Gruer here, aka Mossiyjack, read your approach to the repair of double pane (pain) windows and I have just gone through the exercise myself but kept the double pains (panes) All worked out well, however I have a '73 with small front wing windows and after taking off the vertical slide bar I am at a loss of how to remove the window. Looking for advice.
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Old 01-27-2014, 05:20 AM   #31
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On Jan 26, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Jack Gruer <mossiyjack@gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings, Jack Gruer here, aka Mossiyjack, read your approach to the repair of double pane (pain) windows and I have just gone through the exercise myself but kept the double pains (panes) All worked out well, however I have a '73 with small front wing windows and after taking off the vertical slide bar I am at a loss of how to remove the window. Looking for advice.
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The wing window must be removed from the trailer.

Then, you must separate the vertical molding from the "C" shaped molding.

Then the glass will slide out.

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Old 01-27-2014, 05:53 AM   #32
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Greetings, Jack Gruer here, aka Mossiyjack, read your approach to the repair of double pane (pain) windows and I have just gone through the exercise myself but kept the double pains (panes) All worked out well, however I have a '73 with small front wing windows and after taking off the vertical slide bar I am at a loss of how to remove the window. Looking for advice.
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Drill out the rivets, and remove the window. You may have to get somrthing between the frame and the skin of the trailer to separate them.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:21 AM   #33
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The driver side wing window outside frame is a one piece riveted to the body. The curbside wing window looks different, it has what appears to be a two piece "C" unit containing the glass plus the verticle piece that ties into the square BIG window frame. What holds the curved wing window in?Sealent? I removed the plastic frame inside and there are 12 screws holding an inside frame that looks a lot like the frame on the regular double pane windows that I all ready have redone. In taking out those 12 screws, half of them had the heads snap off because a former? (I suspect) redid one of them before and coated these screws with some sort of hardening Sealent. I understand after getting this damn thing out the glass will/should slide out of the "C" frame. Perhaps I am flogging a dead horse! Frustration is running rampant!
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:49 PM   #34
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Wing Window Removal

It looks like I am headed in this direction as well. The wing windows on our Tradewind are filled with condensation. As I have the interior skins removed, I figure now is the time to address this problem.

So it appears that removal requires drilling the outside bucked rivets to get the window out. How easy is it to drill out buck rivets? I can envision my drill bit skating across the aluminum skin panel. How have others addressed this issue? How do you get the rivets out. Once the rivets are removed, does the window frame just come out the front of the trailer?

I'll likely remove the inner pane and take the window from a double pane to single pane. Thanks for your help!

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Old 04-28-2014, 08:30 AM   #35
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I bought a "rivet removal tool" from Aircraft Spruce.

RIVET REMOVAL TOOL from Aircraft Spruce

This tool is like a tube that fits right over the rivet head and then has a drill bit that slides forward and hits the rivet head right in the middle. I used it to drill most of the rivets out of my trailer, and it did a good job.

Another option is just to take a center punch and put a ding in the middle of the rivet head. If you are using a sharp bit, you can get good results, you just need to be careful the bit doesn't walk.

I have also used, with very good results, the "sharp putty knife" method, where you insert a sturdy metal putty knife in between the sheets you intend to separate, and whack it with a hammer to sheer the rivets. I believe this is what I used to remove my wing windows.

Good luck!
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:32 AM   #36
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I lost my curb side wing window to a rock, outer glas only, so purchased a replacement from andy. Drilling out the 50 rivets is a chore, I lightly punched a
dent in the center of each rivet then using a 31 (I recall) drill bit took them out.
Window came right out, I was surprised how heavy it was. My luck, not on rivet hole lined up on new window (single pane)
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I spent altogether too much time mulling over what to fill the frame with after rebuilding as a single pane, but finally settled on some sort of tough hose, so that it would not only fill the frame, but have the "spring force" to stay in place, and to keep the window in position. It turned out the perfect sized hose for the job was black rubber air hose made by Goodyear. There is also a judicious amount of Vulkem to seal the glass in the frame.

I also needed some kind of spacer to keep the glass from touching the aluminum frame. For this, I used a bunch of very thing silicon "bumpers" like you might put on the bottom of a cutting board to keep it from sliding around on your counter top. Had to look long and hard to find ones that were thin enough for this application. Reassembled the window frames with stainless steel screws.
Hello, resurrecting this thread for the new year You mentioned a black rubber hose and silicon bumpers... do you have more product information on these? I'm gearing up to taking on my wing windows since I finished my vista views today. It's always something isn't it!
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Old 01-12-2015, 01:55 PM   #38
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The rubber air hose I used was the typical 1/4" variety you might buy to use with your home air compressor. Many of the cheap hoses you find at the big box stores are made of polyurethane, and have less "spring force" to them, and are also slippery. The one I used was made of rubber and was similar to the hose at the following address:

50 ft. x 1/4 in. Professional Rubber Air Hose

except that it was made by Goodyear.

The spacers I mentioned above are refered to as "vinyl pads" and are similar to the following:

Shepherd 3/8 in. Self-Adhesive Vinyl Surface Pads (16 per Pack)-9964 - The Home Depot

The ones I found were extremely thin, less than 1/8" thick, and of uniform thickness, not rounded like in the example above.

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Resurrecting this thread again. I've got a pair of these wing windows that need help and this looks to be the best step by step I've seen so far. I've also got two "stack" windows to service. One has the big metal "c" clip that hold the plastic and glass in and is essentially held in with just some butyl caulk. The other looks to be the type that is in two parts and has to be removed like the wings to service since it has to come apart to remove the panes. Documented here: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f44/...es-129496.html

As part of ordering supplies in, I'm looking to order some rolls of of tremco Polyshim tape rolls in 1/16th and 3/16ths. This stuff should do well to position the glass in the frame and The plan would be to use the thin tape up against the frame edge to hold the glass in place and then caulk it in like Panama Red did here: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f454...ign-96251.html

I would use the thicker tape to create a gap for the inner pane on the stacks, at least the one with the big c clip.

I'm not as sure about the wing windows, especially if I end up only putting one pane back in instead of the original two. I'll also be ordering a couple of tubes of the gray tempro and olympic rivets. Is there anything else I should try and get in before I start?
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It sounds like you have everything you should need for the rebuild. The only other advice I would offer is that the aluminum clip/clamps that bind the frame of the center windows to the wing windows can be a real bear to remove, especially if anyone has worked on them in the past and glued them in place. You might try removing these ahead of the project. If they end up too badly deformed/destroyed, you might want to order a pair of them in advance of the work.

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It sounds like you have everything you should need for the rebuild. The only other advice I would offer is that the aluminum clip/clamps that bind the frame of the center windows to the wing windows can be a real bear to remove, especially if anyone has worked on them in the past and glued them in place. You might try removing these ahead of the project. If they end up too badly deformed/destroyed, you might want to order a pair of them in advance of the work.

good luck!
Glad you mentioned those, they are going to be on the list too.
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