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08-08-2016, 04:29 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 Argosy 24
Gilbert
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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Water Pressure Regulator
Since I am re plumbing the entire trailer do I need to use this old Pressure regulator.
Can I use this instead?
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1977 24ft Argosy - sold.
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08-08-2016, 04:39 PM
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1987 Avion 34W owner
Vintage Kin Owner
Good Ol'
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If I was going to the trouble of replacing the water system like you are, I would get a new adjustable regulator that has a gauge on it, then there will be no question that the water pressure is correct.
I have one of those in-line regulators that I use in addition to the one already in our Avion. Using both doesn't seem to cause any issues.
PaulnGina
1987 Avion 34W
1995 Ford F250 7.3L PowerStroke
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08-08-2016, 04:41 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 31' Sovereign
1979 23' Safari
Wayland
, New York
Join Date: Jan 2012
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No you don't. Though I bet it's not so old from seeing how shiney it is, not much patina. You can use one like your bottom picture, though there is a better one available.
http://m.campingworld.com/browse/sku...FQcaaQod_BUGlg
It costs a bit more but you can adjust the pressure to your desires.
I've been using the one you had pictured this summer and not really impressed, it seems to restrict the flow quite often when the pressure is probably not very high to begin with.
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08-08-2016, 04:49 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
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I have a Watts adjustable regulator coming. I figured if I was going to the expense of upgrading my water filtration system to a double canister system from The RV Water Filter Store might as well go all the way.
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08-08-2016, 06:11 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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I had one of the regulators in the lower picture. It controls pressure ok, but the flow it allowed was too low to let my tankless water heater operate properly in a campground with known low pressure. And, by the way, they had very clear signs warning of the issue with that regulator. (Which I ignored 😖 My new one has a gauge on it. The simple low flow one got tossed. I learn, but sometimes after the test instead of before.
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08-08-2016, 06:12 PM
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Rivet Master
2000 25' Safari
Davidson County
, NC Highlands County, FL
Join Date: Aug 2006
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You do not have to use a regulator if you never encounter high pressure. But, when you travel in new places you need to be prepared for high water pressure. I was traveling earlier this year and encountered one campground with 80+psi water pressure. The campground manager warned me when I checked in. I'm glad that I had both regulators
I would use a regulator similar to the existing one. Or, use the old one if you can determine that it has been replaced. When you remove the existing regulator look into the inlet. If the screen is corroded and crammed full of sand, gravel, and scale... replace it.
I suggest using a "union" fitting on both ends of the regulator so it will be easier to maintain if needed in the future.
I don't trust those regulators that mount on the hose bib, though I carry one to protect the hose when needed.
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2014 Silverado LTZ 1500 Crew Cab 5.3L maximum trailering package
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08-08-2016, 06:24 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,014
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I use an external pressure regulator on my Argosy. It is an adjustable one with a gauge. Never had any problems.
If you use PEX with the appropriate fittings your new system should handle the pressure.
After all, many new homes are plumbed entirely with PEX and withstand the high city water pressures.
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08-08-2016, 06:50 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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I would use a combination built-in water pressure regulator/external hookup which will do the job. I would also add a water pressure accumulator to take up excess pressure, not from the external water supply, but from the expansion within your own (locked) water system, usually caused by expansion as water is heated in the water heater.
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2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
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08-08-2016, 09:19 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 Argosy 24
Gilbert
, Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 129
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AWCHIEF
I have a Watts adjustable regulator coming. I figured if I was going to the expense of upgrading my water filtration system to a double canister system from The RV Water Filter Store might as well go all the way.
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I did a search on Watts regulator and found this warning on the MSCdirect website
http://www.supplyhouse.com/Watts-038...CppxoCzJ3w_wcB
Description for Watts 0386450
"Do not use this item for any installation or repair of potable water applications. This product does not comply with the "Safe Drinking Water Act," which requires that products meet low-lead standards in order to be used in systems providing water for human consumption (drinking or cooking). This item is for non-potable (non-human consumption) water applications only."
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1977 24ft Argosy - sold.
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08-09-2016, 06:01 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Picinisco
I did a search on Watts regulator and found this warning on the MSCdirect website
http://www.supplyhouse.com/Watts-038...CppxoCzJ3w_wcB
Description for Watts 0386450
"Do not use this item for any installation or repair of potable water applications. This product does not comply with the "Safe Drinking Water Act," which requires that products meet low-lead standards in order to be used in systems providing water for human consumption (drinking or cooking). This item is for non-potable (non-human consumption) water applications only."
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Then maybe "you" should not use that model.
For what it is worth that is not the model that is used in RV systems. Go to the RV Water Filter Store for further information on appropriate models.
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08-09-2016, 07:44 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2021 16' Bambi
2021 22' Bambi
Currently Looking...
North Port
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Why would you want to remove it? Generally they are hassle free with no need to worry about them
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08-09-2016, 08:09 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 Argosy 24
Gilbert
, Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 129
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cliffcharb
Why would you want to remove it? Generally they are hassle free with no need to worry about them
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It's not mine, I just hijacked a sample picture. So far I cannot see that I have one.
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Cheers....John
1977 24ft Argosy - sold.
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08-09-2016, 08:10 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 Argosy 24
Gilbert
, Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 129
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AWCHIEF
Then maybe "you" should not use that model.
For what it is worth that is not the model that is used in RV systems. Go to the RV Water Filter Store for further information on appropriate models.
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I apologize if I upset you. I just found that warning and wanted to pass it on with the best of intentions.
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1977 24ft Argosy - sold.
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08-09-2016, 08:18 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
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Join Date: Nov 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Picinisco
I apologize if I upset you. I just found that warning and wanted to pass it on with the best of intentions.
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Not upset. Just thought it was not germane to the discussion as it was not the type used in RVs. Go to the web site for The RV Water Filter Store for the appropriate Adjustable regulators to use and why.
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MICHAEL
Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
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08-09-2016, 09:10 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 Argosy 24
Gilbert
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 129
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yes that's me not germane, I'm Scottish!
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1977 24ft Argosy - sold.
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08-09-2016, 05:02 PM
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one of those
2011 27 FB International
'03 F250 PSD
, Airstream summers, Catalac winters
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Why not just install the $41 Shurflo city water inlet with pressure regulator that comes standard on the new Airstreams? Looks to be an easy thing. Is there a good reason not to use these?
http://airstreamsupply.com/Fresh-Wat...ator-601392-05
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08-09-2016, 05:49 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gringo
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"Reason not to use"
They are not adjustable. Preset to 40-50 PSI. Modern trailer plumbing can safely and easily handle up to 80 plus. Standard sized dual water filter canister systems function at an optimum 60 PSI according to The RV Water Filter Store customer service line.
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MICHAEL
Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
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08-10-2016, 07:16 AM
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one of those
2011 27 FB International
'03 F250 PSD
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Thanks for the info.
So, for me, there's no reason not to use the one that came with the trailer. I don't see any real advantages of having 80 psi in the trailer vs 50 psi. And 50 psi is less likely to cause leaks, anyhow. I don't see me worrying too much about the optimum pressure of a water filter I don't use. We don't drink plastic tank water, but we do run it through a Camco particulate/carbon filter. I suspect those will still work just fine with 15 psi less than optimum, too. Simple is good. "Adjustable" usually means less simple.
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08-10-2016, 07:28 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gringo
Thanks for the info.
So, for me, there's no reason not to use the one that came with the trailer. I don't see any real advantages of having 80 psi in the trailer vs 50 psi. And 50 psi is less likely to cause leaks, anyhow. I don't see me worrying too much about the optimum pressure of a water filter I don't use. We don't drink plastic tank water, but we do run it through a Camco particulate/carbon filter. I suspect those will still work just fine with 15 psi less than optimum, too. Simple is good. "Adjustable" usually means less simple.
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Sounds ok to me. What ever works for you is what you might want to go with.
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08-10-2016, 07:45 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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The one that comes with our Airstream is within the external hose attachment, factory set at 65 psi, has a check valve, and works fine.
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