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Old 10-16-2012, 08:27 AM   #29
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Hi guys
Mot an expert on plumbing yet, so does anyone knows the differences between these valves?
they are all on the same price range, any input will be great.
(10) 1/2" Pex Brass Ball Valve, Shut off Valves Crimp, Great Quality!! New! | eBay

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That second item is a ball valve, not a compression valve.

You want a ball valve. Compression valves are found on all your faucet lines in your house, but they restrict the flow compared to a ball valve. Ball valves are more reliable (if they work the first time, they're likely to work essentially forever. occasionally they don't work at all, but you know that right away).

Ball valves are also easier and quicker to operate. The reason you don't see more of them is that they are usually more expensive. This has changed in the last two years.

The only advantage a compression valve has is that it is easier to adjust the flow with them than with a ball valve. Ball valves are generally on or off.

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well we have to agree with the fact that we like to overkill when we work.
Costs s always an issue but we just don't like to over pay, we agree with the theory : You get what you pay for , but in the other hand we also know that sometimes you can get the same product in another store for a considerable difference, and specially on these days where you don't need to go anywhere, just "go" to a different website
But again, we agree that we are overkillers on everything we do
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Hi Zep
We just got a lot of 10 12" Stainless Steel Braided Faucet Water Connectors 3/8x1/2x12", so I guess we now need to stick with the compression valves.
Do you see any major differences between the 2 listed here?
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Hi Zep
We just got a lot of 10 12" Stainless Steel Braided Faucet Water Connectors 3/8x1/2x12", so I guess we now need to stick with the compression valves.
Do you see any major differences between the 2 listed here?
No, I think either valve will work fine.

Now, as to your purchase of the braided connectors: since the valves are the same price, all your braided connectors will do for you is add an unnecessary additional joint. It might make you feel better that the installation looks exactly like your house, but the reason for various lengths of the flexible connectors is that the installing plumber doesn't know exactly what kind of cabinets and faucets will be installed after he's long gone. You should know that.

The flexible connector lines do provide one advantage--they can take a bend or loop to adjust for the length of the fixed pipe on the faucet (or varying height of the countertop), if that's the style faucets you get (single handle faucets). But if you are using two handle faucets, they almost always connect right at the underside of the counter, so the required length of the PEX should be known precisely.

Not a big deal either way, but I like the fewest components and connections. Even the valve adds two more joints than are absolutely necessary--you can install a 1/2" swivel female on the end of the PEX and connect directly to the faucet.

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Although not the same install as yours. I only used one SS connector hose for the toilet. Everything else was direct connect to the fixture.



Also for the tight spots I used this 1/2 and 3/4 tight spot crimp off of Ebay. Made in USA and is a quality product.





Also this works great for a ring cutter to reuse fittings.

CRCUTTER - HydroPEX CRCUTTER - PEX Ring Cutter (1/2"-1" Copper Crimp Rings)

FWIW I use the Zurn PEX crimp tools and have been very pleased. And I have done hundreds of crimps and never needed to adjust them.

Add: I agree with Zep 100% on the 1/4 turn ball valves over old school compression vlaves!
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like the tight spot crimp!
but can't find it
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Zep we have the single faucets in the Avion.
We agree about the extra connections that creates more points of potential leaks.
We really want the valves (overkiller's) and we got the braided connectors for the same price than the swivel connectors so we are a kind of happy on that!
We are trying to get all the peaces, parts and tools together to avoid the thousand trips to HD when we noticed that we need something.
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like the tight spot crimp!
but can't find it
Found it and one that does four sizes by searching for "pex compact". I had seen the one in Pillow's post on ebay earlier, but it didn't show up searching for "pex crimping tool".

One that does show up is a multi crimper for $46.19. I got one at my local Home Depot for about $25. It works OK, but if I didn't have it I'd probably get one like Pillow's. (I'm also glad that I didn't pay $20 more for it from eBay.)
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Found it and one that does four sizes by searching for "pex compact". I had seen the one in Pillow's post on ebay earlier, but it didn't show up searching for "pex crimping tool".

One that does show up is a multi crimper for $46.19. I got one at my local Home Depot for about $25. It works OK, but if I didn't have it I'd probably get one like Pillow's. (I'm also glad that I didn't pay $20 more for it from eBay.)
thanks for the info, need to go to HD later today, will take a look to see what they have.
Rather not spending the extra $20 in the same tool, that will buy me some rivets
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1/2", 3/4" Compact Manifold Pex Tool Crimper US Made Tool! Easy to Use! 5075CMC | eBay

Cool you all beat me to it! The seller is: smirob when the link fails later.

You could do the whole job with just the compact crimper if you did not mind spending the extra time. Really depends if you plan on doing PEX again in the future to justify the normal large Zurn crimps.
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One that does show up is a multi crimper for $46.19. I got one at my local Home Depot for about $25.
The "Pocket Crimper" I doubt would have fit in some of my tighter spots. Especially with having to cinch it down with Vise Grips in corners. But it really depends on your install as to what will fit. YMMV!
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Cool you all beat me to it! The seller is: smirob when the link fails later.

You could do the whole job with just the compact crimper if you did not mind spending the extra time. Really depends if you plan on doing PEX again in the future to justify the normal large Zurn crimps.
I also noticed that smirob's larger crimpers made from bolt cutters look well done. It appears, from looking online anyway, that he does good work.

I like his compact tool better than the pocket one I got at HD, but I already have it. It is work using the vise grips, too.
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