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Old 02-18-2015, 10:37 PM   #239
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I like engineering thoughts! Married to one- once and he was awesome on the "How to skin a cat".

Aerowood used 10/32 pan head screws and 10/32 bolts and installed floating self locking nutplates at all the old pop rivet locations. I didn't see where he had mentioned this bar.

So I am even more lazy because that nutplate work looks like it will take a long time
No idea how that works.

I am feeling like this could be a good idea. Do you still rivet in the nutplates? That is alot to buy. Will be going to Tacoma Screw and or Fastenal tomorrow.

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Old 02-18-2015, 10:46 PM   #240
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Nut plates (at least the type I'm familiar with) have a floating nut part and a tab that retains it with two rivet holes. Typical ones are designed to have enough friction that the bolt or screw won't back out by itself. It allows the bolt or screw to have some slop for alignment but stops the nut from rotating. Typically found on airplane access panels. They would be s PITA to initially install on the top side of frame member bottom flanges, but if yo have the frame flipped over it would not be too bad.

1/4 turn fasteners would be major overkill but I used some on my van conversion for the propane fill cover I built. Yeah, engineering approach.


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Old 02-18-2015, 10:48 PM   #241
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Old 02-18-2015, 11:10 PM   #242
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Loctite instead? Dang I don't want to be lazy but I don't want to kill myself over thinking,
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Old 02-19-2015, 12:04 AM   #243
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I'd suggest lock washers instead. Loctite can be a pain to remove.


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Old 02-19-2015, 12:51 AM   #244
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Lock washers it is
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Old 02-19-2015, 05:05 AM   #245
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Hold on, while thinking this thru. There are a couple of advantages to just staying with rivets. The method is consistent. And the use of similar metal avoids increased corrosion that is unavoidable result of mixing metals.
Is there a need for the easier access offered by threaded fasteners?

I would think by this point dealing with rivet removal should be easy once access is needed. Fastening with rivets is cheaper, easier/quicker, lighter, and most importantly not creating the mixed metal battery that WILL accelerate corrosion.

After putting a new mast on a boat years ago, and carefully coating each fastener with lanolin to reduce corrosion. It was disappointing to see it showing up in just three years or so.

Disregard if it a done deal. Just a point to consider if not.

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Old 02-19-2015, 07:13 AM   #246
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Me too. I'd stay with rivets. They work fine.

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Old 02-19-2015, 09:09 AM   #247
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Not done yet. Concerns are the seal. Aluminum flat bar would help with that. Easy access at grey tank.

Im working in it Saturday and Sunday.

I still have time to mull It over.

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I don't think it really matter

I think it looks fine, I'd go with it. I could care less personally what the bottom of this thing is going to look like. As long as it keeps dirt/debris and critters out, them I'm good. It will probably get a little wet under there, but then it can just drain back out.

I will probably be going with rivets on outside, and then just making an access location with bolts or machine screws, maybe tapped to hole on an inspection section.

I wouldn't over think it. Rivets are cheap and easy, and you know how to replace pop rivets now, so no biggie if you ever really had to get back under there. Hopefully you won't.


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Old 02-19-2015, 06:23 PM   #249
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Nut plates are easy to install except it takes another handful of specialized tools. It's the tooling that makes them east to install. I'm sure glad I didn't have to buy all of tooling at one time but acquired it all through out the years. It's all about the tools.
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Can you give us details about the tools needed? Pictures?


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Old 02-19-2015, 06:49 PM   #251
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Ah Kip, please tell me you have the nut plate drill that drills and countersinks the #40 holes too. I've only used it once but it was fantastic.
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:35 PM   #252
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Yes I have a Winslow drill but it's at home and I'm in Virginia right now otherwise I'd post a picture of it
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