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Old 01-21-2015, 03:19 PM   #183
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Yes, or just close off that whole section of channel and make it into tubing. Adding metal is good on old frames that are going to be carrying a heavier load with holding tanks and all our tech stuff.

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Old 01-21-2015, 04:30 PM   #184
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The frame was off level by a whole inch because of that weak front. We are now at 1/8. Pretty good.
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Old 01-21-2015, 08:17 PM   #185
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The A frame on my 66 is boxed in until the A frame enters the body. i think this is very important. I think you cut some of this open so you could repair, replace the rusted sections. I would recommend you build it like the factory did. Also, leave room for your trailer wiring harness access.

I'm glad you are getting your frame level. I'm a little concerned about mine as I see maybe a half inch difference between level floor and the A frame channels.

Here is a picture of my 66 A-frame inside the body at the wire harness access spot, curb side. You can see the boxed in C channel before the wires and after the wires. Square channels are stronger than C channels.

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Old 01-21-2015, 10:19 PM   #186
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I think it needs to be boxed in too.
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Old 01-23-2015, 07:17 PM   #187
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Old 01-24-2015, 05:23 AM   #188
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Milestone! It's going back together. You'll be camping in it before long. Like maybe a year or two! : ) Seriously, it does take a long time to put these things back together, especially when we engineer the thing as we go.

Now back to polishing. Ugh!

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Old 01-24-2015, 07:28 AM   #189
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I agree with boxing in the frame, but leave some drain holes at the bottom so water can get out.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:37 AM   #190
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I didn't box in as he would have had to the the whole thing off and fabricate. I was pretty irritated and stressed about possible buckling for sure. Click image for larger version

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He reinforced the base of the A at the frame with triangle plates
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Old 01-24-2015, 03:36 PM   #191
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Was your A-frame boxed in originally? My 66 is but I don't know how a 65 was built. Airstream was always making changes. You can kinda, sorta see it in this photo.

If it was boxed, then I should think you would want to duplicate the original design.

It was never confirmed with photos, but a fellow Airstreamer reported a bent A frame due to over tightened weight distribution bars. I just couldn't figure out how that could happen. But it was said that the mid 2000 trailers 19' and under had C channels for the A-frame instead of square channels. I do know square channels are stronger than C channels. I believe I beams are stronger yet.

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Old 01-24-2015, 06:03 PM   #192
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Yes it looked like that but not a solid weld. The piece was spot welded on in staggered fashion. Tube would have been a can do but more more more time and money money money
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Old 01-24-2015, 07:17 PM   #193
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Before you start laying the floor and when you start to install the belly pan, make sure the frame is flat. My '63 frame sagged 4" under its own weight and twisted like a pretzel. Bolting down the plywood to a twisted, bowed frame will guarantee it stays that way. Likewise, riveting a new belly pan to a non-flat frame will keep it twisted.

I have had to add weight to one corner during the process to assure the thing was flat.

Ideally we would have a big flat table to set the frame on during the process...I m lacking one of those...
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Old 01-25-2015, 05:03 AM   #194
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HiHoAgRV describes the "semi-monocoque" design very well. The frame is flimsy by itself. it gets a lot stronger with the subfloor well bolted to it. It gets stronger again with the shell bolted to it. And the belly pan adds some more strength. Monocoque construction allows high strength and light weight.

I made a new platform for my scaffolding yesterday. I used aluminum 3/4 by 1/8 angle welded like a picture frame with cross members every 12". It was real flimsy and I thought oh oh. Then I bolted the 5/8 plywood floor to the frame and the thing gained good strength. The frame keeps the plywood from sagging, and the plywood keeps the frame flat.

Monocoque. Kinda like an egg shell. All tied together it is very strong for its weight.

thumbelina, I get the more more more time and more more more money. I think most Airstream renovators have a real appreciation of the "slippery slope" saying "how I spent 30k on a 2k trailer" as Panama Red suggests.

More polishing today for me. I'll be standing on my new platform at least while grinding away the hours.

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Old 01-25-2015, 08:03 AM   #195
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Hi -

I've been off the forums for a few months so I missed your thread - great work so far! Mine is sitting in a barn far, far away for a few months - I miss it. Glad to see you are smarter than I and are hiring help at the right times - I was really stubborn about that and it cost me dearly in terms of time, in the long run. Not to mention this work is really hard on the body - hands in particular. The tools are just plain heavy and built for man-hands, not girl-hands.

I sandblasted my frame also and was glad for it - but I should have waited to paint it until after I was SURE all my welding was done. Some of my interior mods required frame modification, but I didn't know that at the time because my interior plan wasn't in place. My trailer had extra outriggers at certain points and none at others. I would make sure there is an outrigger at each floor seam so that the seam edge is supported the entire width - mine didn't have an outrigger at one seam and I wish I had noticed that earlier.

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Old 01-25-2015, 09:00 AM   #196
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'65 GT 20' my winter project

Tuesday I am taking the frame to Ryan's RV. There is a possibility Inland RV may not have sold the proper axle to me. I know he had my serial number. But the way the shocks mount and the lug bolts are positioned it doesn't make sense it will work. Then they can look at my frame and give me a last opinion.

Stressing but I'm going to let go and take the experts advice and have them charge me a lot to give me a peace of mind
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