Originally Posted by Stefrobrts
...I have to say apple's attitude about not wanting people to do simple upgrades to their own machines has always been a problem for me...
this "no upgrade" reference is basically a MYTH as applied to newer macs.
for the sake of argument the warranty is 1 year.
swapping hard drives DIY does NOT void the factory warranty.
adding 3rd party ram does NOT void the factory warranty.
there isn't much else the owner can do INSIDE the case of a mbpro.
minis and imacs can be opened at tweaked, folks do these things ALL of the time.
ANY of the 3 sites recommended earlier will drive this point home CLEARLY.
applecare is the extended/enhanced service/warranty and is typically 349$ for a mbpro.
it is a very nice extended coverage plan, one of the few worth buying on ANY gadget.
again owner changed parts like the ram or hard drive do NOT void applecare.
my earlier reference to 'battery swapping' was related to machines that HAD a simple door/battery that was interchangeable without tools.
and one could carry 2-3 batteries to get more run time.
they've stopped making THOSE UNITS for a variety of reasons and that's a topic for endless jabber.
the newer macs HAVE that run time on just the internal battery now.
gene might LIKE is older powerPC based mac,
but the OS is macz real value and that machine won't run the newest OS or ANY of the newer applications...
they are fine for surfin' and basic stuff using OLDER applications.
but NOT for writing apps the original point of this thread.
REFURBs areprimarily available from the APPLE factory stores or online.
some REsellers like microcenter, occasionally have returns or discontinued models for sale at discount.
typically THAT discount is only 2-400$
and the 'education' discount on NEW machines only, is typically 2-300$ (less than 10%, about the same as sales tax)...
you've not mentioned HOW MUCH u wanna spend that's really the deciding issue.
but i'm guessing ANY of the NEW gear is too much moola ??
500$ or less, good luck finding ANY intel based machine at that price EXCEPT the core duo (NOT core2 duo)...
600-1000$ will get u into the 4,1 models.
drives fail, screens fail, wifi cards fail, batteries HIT the cycle limit and so on...
parts cost money.
imo buying on CL is a total crap shoot, so inspect before paying and HOPE it's got applecare coverage
and that is NOT a stolen machine.
screens, motherboards, ram, drives, dvd spinners, wifi...basically ALL OF THE PARTS....
are available from 3rd party vendors and with great instructions for DIY...
but at THAT STAGE of machine age WARRANTY is clearly not an issue.
if ya want reallY CHEAP but new get a dell net book and frankenMAC it...
this is very easy to do now and one ends up with a fully functionally macOS for under 400$.
would i use one of those to write apps on? no of course not.