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Old 07-17-2006, 10:41 PM   #29
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Goin Camping is the WINNER!! Good job...It Is GRABOWSKI MOTOR CAR...
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Nuthin but luck. However you can mail that six figure prize money check to me.
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Old 07-17-2006, 11:41 PM   #31
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Goin Camping is the WINNER!! Good job...It Is GRABOWSKI MOTOR CAR...
em...
wasn't it...
motor coach, or
motor corporation....
after d' grabowski?
me thinks...
maybe
eh...

could we get an impartial offical historical linguistical judical ruling,
b 4 any cash changes hands?
not that goin camping isn't deserving and all...

cheers
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Once we are all gone it will stand for "Gonna Manufacture in China"!
now see that's a funny post!
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:14 AM   #33
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Dang it! Seems every time I win $500,000.00 it winds up in front of a Judge. Now the lawyers will get it all again. Oh well.
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Old 07-18-2006, 02:30 AM   #34
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hello folks ,Im here to tell the tale ....

In 1902 Max and Morris Grabowski formed the Grabowski Motor vehical Co.
selling their first truck to the American Garment Cleaning Co. There were 3
other companys ,The company was reorganized as the Rapid Motor Vehical Co.after 1904 later say 1908 W.C. Durant basically bought up all the stock
of Rapid Motor Vehical and later Reliance Motor Truck Co. Durant himself actually formed the General Motors Truck Co. with Rapid ,Reliance and the
Randolph Motor Car Co. But the GMC logo was debuted in 1911 on the trucks.
GM basically bought up and aquired other small truck manafacturers.The
GMC logo was trademarked in 1911 .It stood for GENERAL MOTORS TRUCK CO
So even though Grobowski started it and it can be said they had the first
GMC initials ,though not trademarked or installed on their trucks ,the
mergers started out pretty quickly and the company GMC started in 1910
1911 under William C. Durant ,with the Grabowski brothers and the other
companys aquired on board .As time went on pontiac and oldsmobile engines
were used in GMC trucks ,ever heard of a pontiac v8 in a 56 GMC pickup?
very rare truck.Later chevrolet ,buick etc, all under the then and now
GENERAL MOTORS CO. So it seems all are really correct on the answer
for the most part according to history as we now know it.For a while Max
Grabowski started the Grabowski Power Wagon Co.in 1907 .I do not
believe in any way related to dodge trucks.Further ,GOOGLE the GMC
parade of progress buses from the forties into the fifties ,if you like airstreams
you will like these buses .Just so you all know ,the information as I have posted comes from the .....First 100 years of GMC by john gunnell . A great
coffee table type of book loaded with anything GMC you ever wanted or
needed to know ,just so you realize Im not that smart on knowing all these details ,but some of the early history I have studied .

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Old 07-18-2006, 06:48 AM   #35
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I worked fro a GMC dealer in the 80's. We often got trucks that said Chevrolet on one side and GMC on the other. Great to confuse your freinds.
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...For a while Max Grabowski started the Grabowski Power Wagon Co.in 1907 .I do not believe in any way related to dodge trucks. Scott
Hi Scott, Wkerfoot & others:

The 1907 company was not related to Dodge trucks, which were first built about 10 years later as conversions from Dodge cars. Max's company name is the earliest documented use of "Power Wagon" to identify a truck. Below is one of my treasures, but as you can read they spelled their name with a "y" back then, not an "i".

A less comprehensive but interesting book on early GMC's is Gini Rice's 1973 pictorial "Relics of the Road #1, GMC Gems 1900-1950", long out of print but available from used book dealers.
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Old 07-19-2006, 01:07 AM   #37
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Now that is really cool , a rarity for sure.


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As time went on pontiac and oldsmobile engines
were used in GMC trucks ,ever heard of a pontiac v8 in a 56 GMC pickup?
very rare truck.
Sounds almost too rare with one caveat. At that time each division designed and built their own engines. Pontiac Motors plant was physically less than 5 miles from the GM Truck and Coach Plant (GMC Truck's name in 1956), Oldsmobile was further in Lansing, but their engines were miles apart in purpose and design. At that time GMC pickups (as were all makes) were 'work vehicles', mainly designed for light deliveries, tradesmen, farms, etc. Physically everything from coolant inlets and outlets, motor mounts, wiring, etc., etc. are different on the engines, installation as the truck was assembled on the line would be impossible.

Truck and Coach did have a special options operation in Building 29 at Plant 2. For the right price they would do anything, thus the caveat. If there is a GMC pickup with a Pontiac or Oldsmobile engine factory installed it was special ordered and converted and is going to be very, super, extremely rare. I really would want build sheets or order sheets to document the history or would tend to believe it was done as a 'hot rod' after the dealer sale. It would be very difficult to tell 35 years later on a good conversion if it had been done at the factory or by a very competent individual especially considering the state of technology and manufacturing in 1956.
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At one point in time I heard that GMC's were "work vehicles" and physically differed in some components and were considered more of a heavy duty vehicle vs. their Chevy brothers.

Obviously that's long gone. GM's only full sized van plant is located just west of St. Louis. I took the tour and the only differences now are the badging, grill, steering wheel, and wheel trim. As a matter of fact they have the same pricing. I'm sure its probably the same on most of the truck line.

I ended up ordering a GMC because that particular dealer was willing to give me a good deal.

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At one point in time I heard that GMC's were "work vehicles" and physically differed in some components and were considered more of a heavy duty vehicle vs. their Chevy brothers.
Very true. They were also cheaper to repair, at least into the mid to late 70's. Chevrolet sold 'assemblies' while the GM Truck dealers would sell individual components. One example: the front rotor on Chevy trucks was one piece with the hub, GM trucks were individual components. You could buy either part from the GM dealer and once assembled they would interchange with a Chevy rotor. This was from the heritage of heavy duty trucks. GMC V-6 and V-8 gas engines had the spark plugs on the top of the heads, mechanical fuel pumps mounted where they could be accessed from above, etc. Down time often meant no income so easy maintenance was important.

The engine below is a 478 cu. in. V-6.
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Hi All Who Contributed To Above--This thread really developed into an interesting history of GMC. I really enjoyed it having spent 39-years with GM, and now retired for 14.--Frank S
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