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Old 05-05-2008, 11:37 AM   #15
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I've heard these were used along with the numbers to identify the trailers in caravans. They came in two colors--red and blue (I don't know what the symbolism was for). I've never seen these as a metal plate, but our trailer had a red sticker of the same design ghosted on the rear window when we got it--so faintly, I only noticed it after I examined pieces of glass that broke when I repaired its seals.

BTW--Vintage Trailer Supply used to sell the stickers years ago--back when they were Airstream Dreams. I'm hoping he makes more and sells them again...
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I'd get my guy to take it off and get a pattern made for dupes, only if they were made with a noticeable change that one could differentiate the real from repro.

I don't think that it becomes more valuable as a trailer, just because its been places- thats what they were made for, someone got a LOT of use from this one, and it shows. I can see where it was lifted with a set of those slings onto a ship from underneath. We try and keep ours nice, and make them nicer when we own them. Traveling is obviously tough on them, we have to take that into consideration with what we restore to hit the road with and what stays in storage for collecting. We enjoy the Flying Cloud much more, because we don't have to watch it so carefully, worry about a scratch here and there, its not perfect, so less stress over the body and shine.
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Old 05-05-2008, 09:15 PM   #17
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I'd get my guy to take it off and get a pattern made for dupes, only if they were made with a noticeable change that one could differentiate the real from repro.

I don't think that it becomes more valuable as a trailer, just because its been places- thats what they were made for, someone got a LOT of use from this one, and it shows. I can see where it was lifted with a set of those slings onto a ship from underneath. We try and keep ours nice, and make them nicer when we own them. Traveling is obviously tough on them, we have to take that into consideration with what we restore to hit the road with and what stays in storage for collecting. We enjoy the Flying Cloud much more, because we don't have to watch it so carefully, worry about a scratch here and there, its not perfect, so less stress over the body and shine.
I can relate to the Flying Cloud statement. The same with ours. We love it, we use the heck out of it. It gets bumped around and has gained a few more visible memories under our ownership. It is all just part of the fun of owning these trailers. I don't abuse it, but I sure use it.

I was thinking I'd paint a whole bunch of names on mine just for laughs. It could be fun - I was thinking of names of my fellow Forums members (their Avatars of course). That would be fun although kind of tough to polish around.

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Old 05-05-2008, 09:47 PM   #18
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I'd get my guy to take it off and get a pattern made for dupes, only if they were made with a noticeable change that one could differentiate the real from repro.

I don't think that it becomes more valuable as a trailer, just because its been places- thats what they were made for, someone got a LOT of use from this one, and it shows. I can see where it was lifted with a set of those slings onto a ship from underneath. We try and keep ours nice, and make them nicer when we own them. Traveling is obviously tough on them, we have to take that into consideration with what we restore to hit the road with and what stays in storage for collecting. We enjoy the Flying Cloud much more, because we don't have to watch it so carefully, worry about a scratch here and there, its not perfect, so less stress over the body and shine.
Now I really want to know what countries are listed on the trailer. The sling marks would indicate that it has been oversea's.

And you are wrong, where it has been does add value. I would love to personally find, own, and restore a trailer that was on one of those two great caravan's, or even one of the less famous one's like the one to Europe. I recently missed an opportunity on one such trailer. That said, condition still plays a big factor on value. History of travel add's to value a bit, but condition is still the main factor.

But that said, my main interest at the moment is not obtaining one, it is merely documenting all of the remaining survivors. Even if you cannot be convinced to save this particular trailer, I would like to know what the WBCCI number is (the big numbers on the front and back, likely 3 digit or 4 digit, but could be 2 digit or even 1 digit) and what countries are listed on it, so that at least I can document it as one that was destoryed and no longer exists (if it turns out to be an actual trailer from one of those caravan's).

Please provide this information. Puhleeeeessseeee!

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I've heard these were used along with the numbers to identify the trailers in caravans. They came in two colors--red and blue (I don't know what the symbolism was for). I've never seen these as a metal plate, but our trailer had a red sticker of the same design ghosted on the rear window when we got it--so faintly, I only noticed it after I examined pieces of glass that broke when I repaired its seals.

BTW--Vintage Trailer Supply used to sell the stickers years ago--back when they were Airstream Dreams. I'm hoping he makes more and sells them again...
I have never seen any but red and silver...blue I have only heard about on the forum.

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Old 05-05-2008, 11:24 PM   #20
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Actually Rob- He could send it to me and I can have it reproduced is 10 days or less. I can have Dale send me the correct color. Of course we would then end up flooding the market with "original antique reproductions" of the plate. We have the aluminum in stock and probably to correct color which I believe was a PMS-185 but Dale could confirm that fore me.
PMS, I wonder?
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Pantone Matching System - THE standard for selecting printing inks. PMS185 is the brightest, most vibrant red in the whole lot.

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Old 05-05-2008, 11:27 PM   #22
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I'd get my guy to take it off and get a pattern made for dupes, only if they were made with a noticeable change that one could differentiate the real from repro.
it sounds like there are so few "real" ones out there, why not have exact copies made, that's the point of a "reproduction". i think it's selfish not to do it. these are the kind of gems that airstreamers love to share.

understand, i'm being completely objective, this is something i personally have no interest in, i'm happy with my '56 flying cloud and have no desire to put a plaque on it, but i think there are a lot of airstreamers that would dig having a reproduction of the old plaque.

i think rob had the best idea, send it to steve at vintage trailer supply so he can make the "mold".
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it sounds like there are so few "real" ones out there, why not have exact copies made, that's the point of a "reproduction". i think it's selfish not to do it. these are the kind of gems that airstreamers love to share.

understand, i'm being completely objective, this is something i personally have no interest in, i'm happy with my '56 flying cloud and have no desire to put a plaque on it, but i think there are a lot of airstreamers that would dig having a reproduction of the old plaque.

i think rob had the best idea, send it to steve at vintage trailer supply so he can make the "mold".
The object isn't to change it, only a small dot or microscopic corner thats left off a letter, so that anyone trying to say they've got one that was on a caravan, that wasn't on, is not allowed to scam anyone. Problem isn't so much with people buying these to put on and outright lie, but with the guy who has one second hand, tries to promote his trailer as being an original from the Caravans out of greed, and profiting from it.
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Old 05-06-2008, 06:24 AM   #24
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EllieZ, There is very little you can do to stop human greed. If someone sets out to deceive, it is easy. There are countless fakes out there. I once worked for the National Gallery of Art. In their basement are numerous fake painting. I was surprised to see my favorite Van Gough self portrait among them. A staffer told me that it was a 14 million dollar mistake.
I personally would love to have a reproduction plate to hang on my barn. I feel it would be very hard to pull off the scam you are suggesting.
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There should only be a way that a buyer, who wanted the original, and was willing to pay for it, could go to the web, and see here that we had it made with the cut in the right side of the "r" in caravan just a bit deeper than on the original, when its been duplicated.

Of course, you can't stop people from lying, its part of it all, and its seemingly getting worse as money gets harder to come by. My guy said it compares with a difference between a real GTO and a LeMans. If someone selling one bought it as a GTO, didn't know to check the VIN, and see it as a 24267, instead of a 23767, they'd be stupid to pay GTO prices for a LeMans clone.

On the wall or side of a barn, its not going to fool anyone, but would obviously look cool. EZ
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The presence of this plaque or not would not authenticate a trailer as having been on a great caravan. Just like in classic cars, other corroborating evidence would be required, like travel documents, photo's etc.

Certainly for a trailer that has been restored and new numbers and plaques applied, the documentation would be even more critical because some visual evidence would have been removed during the restoration. An unrestored trailer (i.e. not polished and still with as many original fitments as possible) would be the easiest to prove, although that restored trailer might be worth more as a restored Airstream than it ever would as an unrestored piece of history.

The key in my mind would be to "restore" a historic trailer as lightly as possible, keeeping as much orginal content as possible. Thus the weathered Caravan Plaque would be worth more than a new reproduction in this case. If you want a concours quality Airstream restoration, better to start with one that does NOT have the history.
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"Your Guy" also had no idea what you had and that is what is why this thread was started....
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I was thinking I'd paint a whole bunch of names on mine just for laughs. It could be fun - I was thinking of names of my fellow Forums members (their Avatars of course). That would be fun although kind of tough to polish around.

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You should paint a bunch of exotic destinations no Caravan ever went to.

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