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Old 01-27-2010, 06:43 PM   #57
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Just read a story that there is also a Pontiac model that is likely affected by the same problem and has been pulled out of the rental car fleets. Who made that?
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Old 01-27-2010, 06:54 PM   #58
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the recall is blown out of proportions as so many things these days in the media...

toyota is doing the right thing by recalling/suspending...

however from what i read the problem is not dangerous, just step on the brakes...

anyway, now is the time to buy a toyota and maybe some stock too...
Its not the floor matts!!

YouTube - Toyota Recalls Millions of Vehicles
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Old 01-27-2010, 06:58 PM   #59
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"My Tundra was built in Indiana".

And the profits went to Japan instead of Detroit.

This should smoke out Crawford Gene!!
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:03 PM   #60
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Just read a story that there is also a Pontiac model that is likely affected by the same problem and has been pulled out of the rental car fleets. Who made that?
Pontiac Vibe. Toyota made them. Technically it's from the NUMMI plant in California, but the products from there have always been more Toyota than GM: Geo Corollas, the Vibe/Matrix twins, and the Tacoma.
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:17 PM   #61
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Maybe you wont get a speeding ticket if your driving a toyota....
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:39 PM   #62
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Toyota Motor's (TM) once-solid image has taken some hits in recent months, but the company's decision to not only recall but halt production and sales of eight popular models will cause serious damage that won't easily be fixed. Toyota made the announcement on Jan. 26 after research into reports of unintended acceleration in certain models traced the problem to faulty accelerator mechanisms, which resulted last week in a recall of some 2.3 million cars in the U.S.

The lengthy list of vehicles involved include some of Toyota's best known models, such as its Camry and Corolla sedans, perennially some of the best-selling vehicles in the country. Toyota said it plans to halt production beginning Monday at five North American plants in Kentucky, Texas, Indiana and Canada.

Toyota's move is consistent with its manufacturing philosophy that allows workers to stop manufacturing if they find a defect during during assembly, says Art Wheaton, an analyst who follows auto-industry issues at Cornell University's ILR School.

Tens of Millions on Repairs Alone


The immediate economic impact on Toyota is likely to be huge, Wheaton says, "It's difficult for a company to say, we want to take eight of our best selling models and stop making them for a while, and tell all of our dealers not to sell them." Toyota is likely looking at a bill on the order of tens of millions of dollars to repair affected vehicles and other costs associated with the recall and work stoppage.

Wheaton believes the long-term implications of the recall won't be as dramatic. Still, he says, the company's reputation has been damaged on two fronts -- quality and safety, two issues that have been at the center of the Japanese make's appeal to consumers. But the recall also affects Toyota's integrity, since it has made numerous announcements regarding the issue, starting in September, when it then blamed a problem with unintended acceleration in some of its vehicles on poorly designed floor mats.

Toyota has taken numerous steps to solve the same basic problem, Wheaton says, and "that hurts their reputation."

Dealers Left in the Lurch

Further unknown is the impact sales and production stoppages will have on dealers. John McEleney, who owns a Clinton, Iowa, Toyota dealership, told The Associated Press the sales stoppage affects about 60% of the inventory on his lot. He expressed hope Toyota would find a fix soon, since his business pays interest on unsold inventory.

"Short term, it's going to be difficult," said McEleney, who is also chairman of the National Automobile Dealers Association, a trade group. "It will certainly set us back, but I think the impact will be very short-lived."

At its website, the NADA posted a message advising its members that the organization is seeking clarification on the situation for its dealers. In the meantime, dealers should check whether they have a specific type of business-interruption insurance that would provide reimbursement due to losses caused by an independent supplier.

The problem part was supplied by Elkhart, Ind.-based CTS, and manufactured at the company's plant in Ontario, according to a report Toyota made to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration last week.

The complete list of models involved include: the 2009-10 RAV4; the 2009-10 Corolla; the 2009-10 Matrix; the 2005-10 Avalon; certain 2007-10 Camry models; the 2010 Highlander; the 2007-10 Tundra; and the 2008-10 Sequoia.

Toyota is also wrestling with whether to recall 2 million additional vehicles sold in Europe "due to similar defects with the accelerators that we encountered in the U.S.," a Toyota spokeswoman said Monday. From Toyota's vantage, this debacle must seem like a being in the middle of an unavoidable crash and having to watch it unfold in slow motion.
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Well, I'm going to keep driving and let the chips fall where they may. Supposedly the vehicles mostly at risk are those with 35,000 or more miles and I've got a long way to go for that. But when you look at the list of vehicles being recalled - including the Camry - if this turns out to be a fix that takes longer a half hour or so at the dealer how long is it going to take to get all of them done?
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so not only is there a recall and sales STOP and production stop...

but ALL rental cars are being pulled in too?

so here's a question to ponder...

IF you own 1 of the included vehicles and show up tomorrow at an authorized dealer/service center for warranty work (or maintenance)...

??will they let U take the car home??
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this question is prompted by something that happened last year...

i was test driving a new truck and keeping it at home overnight for a 24 test drive...

during the drive home a RECALL was issued (for fuel tank bracing) on this vehicle...

the dealer contacted me to explain this, "no problem, i'll bring it back right now" was my reply...

"NO don't do that" the dealer/salesmgr said...

"we will send a tow truck and flat bed it back within the hour" he continued.
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so can/will toyota dealers in good faith and KNOWING what's happened to the fleet...

allow folks to take these cars HOME if they are in for service???

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That's a good question 2air. It sounds like Toyota did not have a choice in halting production and sales. Is the NHTSA about to temporarily ban the use of these vehicles next?

Toyota faced pressure from U.S. officials before announcing recall - washingtonpost.com
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:41 PM   #67
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"My Tundra was built in Indiana".

And the profits went to Japan instead of Detroit.

This should smoke out Crawford Gene!!
Well, yes... but profits are after the wages paid directly to the workers in Indiana. It doesn't include all the secondary jobs created by people delivering goods to the plant, building the plant, serving lunch to the plant workers.

Also, anyone in the US that bought stock in Toyota will see a portion of that come home to roost.

Portions of Boeing manufacture is going to Japan (where would airliner sales be if it weren't for Asia?). Doesn't it seem fair to have "Japanese" cars built in America.
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Toyota expands recall...

Toyota extends recall to Europe
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cross pollination...

Ford Suspends Assembly of Transit Van in China Over CTS Pedal - BusinessWeek

<2000 vans so nipped quickly.

and a comment from the parts maker "manufactured to toyota's design specs" ...

CTS News Release

this company HQ is right in the heart of the rv parts neighborhood...

CTS Corporation - EC, Sensors & Actuators, EMS!

this mess is particularly confusing for toyota owners since it goes so FAR back and includes so many vehicles and models...

with "acceleration issues" being attributed to DIFFERENT problems depending on year and models.

and extending back as far as 2002?

what a mess

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cross pollination...what a mess
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