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Old 03-16-2010, 11:48 AM   #337
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"And this, too, shall pass away"; but if you're a fan of Toyota and want a new one, this is a great time to buy! With all this negative press about Toyota, I was able to buy a new 2010 Prius V at just above invoice with better than wholesale value for my trade-in! Toyota has NEVER discounted the Prius (to my knowledge). We looked at them in '06, but didn't buy then because the new Civic had just been released and it got nearly the same mileage with the gas engine. The new Prius is a different car than the '09 (although they look similar, the body is re-designed with an 1800cc engine instead of th 1500) and is pretty cool!

BTW, the brake thing with the Prius was a pedal "feel" issue... not an actual braking issue. The pedal would feel "spongy" when it changed from regenerative breaking to hydraulic braking. Since it's brake-by-wire, the "feel" is done by computer so a little re-programming of the pedal "feel" fixed that... and so far, it hasn't taken us on any 90+mph rides...

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Old 03-16-2010, 08:35 PM   #338
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As was said some time ago, it's hard to figure out what's going on from all the reports, many appearing to be contradictory.

It seems a lot of people believe it's all about lawsuits against Toyota or seem to believe conspiracy theories. Many assumptions, mostly bad ones, are being made about the drivers of speeding Toyotas. Facts seem to be ignored, assumed, or are actually factoids.

I am skeptical about Toyota's test of a similar Prius today (or yesterday)—that proves nothing except that a car without problems tends not to have problems. It may take years to figure this thing out and if anyone has the money and expertise, they may find a glitch in the computer that others have not been able to replicate.

Three questions for Roger: 1. How much is invoice for a Prius? 2. Which trim line? 3. Didn't you retire at the end of last year and how's that going for you?

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Old 03-16-2010, 08:55 PM   #339
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Hi Gene! So as not to hijack the thread... I'll reply in a PM.

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Old 03-16-2010, 09:31 PM   #340
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..interestingly...from what I heard on the news today, as reported from Der Speigel...the USA seems to be the only country having the acceleration issues...im guessing it all has to do with 'power of suggestion'...
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Old 03-16-2010, 09:50 PM   #341
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:11 AM   #343
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According to a story in the NY Times about 10 days ago there have been acceleration problems in Japan too. Japan has few consumer protections so these things don't get reported there and little is done about consumer issues. If I recall properly, there have been recalls in Europe too.

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Old 03-17-2010, 09:01 AM   #344
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The unconventional shift pattern on the Prius should be used on future standardized IQ tests. Even most 15 watt'rs should get it! Could be used to set the lower percentile limits.


The California Driver with the run away Prius was 8 months behind in his payments and still couldn't master the shift pattern!
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:16 PM   #345
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I heard the driver tell the 911 operator, who recommended several times that he turn the ignition off and/or shift into neutral, that:

A. He would not shift it into neutral because:

1. He was too busy driving (and presumably especially since he was also talking to the operator trying to get info on what to do, what to do); and,

2. He was afraid the car would "roll" if he shifted into neutral.

B. He would not turn off the ignition because:

1. He was afraid all the traffic around him would strike his car if it began to slow down with the ignition off.

Nothing about this makes much sense, except the conspiracy theory.
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Expecting highly rational behavior from someone whose car has decided to go 90 mph in traffic, seems to me irrational. I don't know what really happened, but I do know people get scared and act irrationally under such circumstances. That's as good an explanation of the situation as a number of other explanations.

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Irrational behavior in those circumstances is understandable, but the pieces of that San Diego Prius incident just don't fit together right. I can't but help being suspicious that the whole story has not yet been disclosed.

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Expecting highly rational behavior from someone whose car has decided to go 90 mph in traffic, seems to me irrational.

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training goes a long way.
those of us that fly aircraft are schooled to "fly the plane" when an incident happens think/ act differently. Last thing I would be doing would be interrupting my train of thought/problem solving during an emergency.
Like asking someone to pray for me or wasting valuable time yaking with a 911 operator.
It's partially about $$. take a bs test, give your $ and get a operators permit.
problem is The Cars Are Smarter than the drivers.
and now "black boxes", they been around for a while already.
big brother involvement, not for me
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Expecting highly rational behavior from someone whose car has decided to go 90 mph in traffic, seems to me irrational. I don't know what really happened, but I do know people get scared and act irrationally under such circumstances. That's as good an explanation of the situation as a number of other explanations.

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I suspect others on the same highway travelling at 75 mph are only slightly more rational. And they were all going in the same direction. The calming effect of cell chatter and texting sometime helps while multitasking away those commuting hours.That extra 15 mph must be the difference between proforming one of several acts to stop the car and twenty minutes of ignored instructions of what to do.

But as the CU article mentions, placing the tranmission in neutral removes the engine from the equation, even though this particular toyota has a brake/engine override system.

I wonder what the pilot of the jet that landed in the east river off NYC would have done if he have an extra 17 minutes to land the plane?
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