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Old 03-12-2010, 09:54 AM   #295
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you know what I hate? Seeing this same sham article barfed up every time
someone comments on hummer vs prius rant.

so why keep contributing this landfill waste? (Demarro article)

Sounds like hatin' to me.
Your opinion and your entitled to it...
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It's good to see a good point counterpoint discussion. Please keep your emotions in check and remember to "be nice" no matter what you think of other opinions.
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Sounds like somebody had a little "urea" on their wheaties this mornin'
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:13 AM   #298
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Sounds like somebody had a little "urea" on their wheaties this mornin'
Or just doing exactly what their Rice Krispies tell them.
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:13 AM   #299
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Yeah, that was exactly what I did not like...too much star wars stuff for me. The dash, the shift...I found it very uncomfortable and the layout unconventional (i.e. "unlike most cars"). (I'll take a nice pick me up truck any day,my daily driver is a Mt Bike, the truck is for tow duty...).The unconventional shift pattern may have contributed to the latest publicized runaway Toyota incident. Don’t know if you have ever had the pleasure to drive one of these, it does take some getting used to…not the kind of thing I feel like tinkering with at 94mph. Clearly the driver in this incident felt the same.
Read that article, or go look at a prius, it is not the typical PRNDL shift pattern.

Not sure the rental model prius I drove shifts any differently than the “luxo” prius…
I think one should become familar with the controls on any vehicle before setting out on the highways and byways. And in a panic situation it is not always easy to come to grips with the first and best thing to do.

I can assure you that the Prius is very simple to place in neutral. A simple movement of the knob to the left and the transmission falls between drive and reverse.
This would probably happen after one is applying the brakes and holding on to the steering wheel while pressing the big red off button first.

I would simply move the knob to the left two inches...which is neutral.

After doing these three things, dial or text 911 while asking help for a lawyer/TV coverage and a priest. then forgiveness.
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:21 AM   #300
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unfortunately you will bang your head trying to have a conversation with a green person,they will not listen to the opposing view. typical. don't waste your time. these are the folks that are convinced that you can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Thanks, made me laugh! Now I have to work the turd bit into causul conversation today. Adios, John
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:41 AM   #301
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Your opinion and your entitled to it...
So your opinion is reinforced by a disproven sham article? My question is why keep repeating it like it is the truth?

wall of cheese: The Myth that the Prius Outdoes Hummer In Environmental Damage

Care to read it for the first time?
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Is there a more current article then this? It is dated April 3, 2007. Three years is a long time in this ever changing world.
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I don't necessarily believe that a Hummer id 'greener' that a Prius, but I do believe that a lot of the Prius claims are pure hype. When you consider the battery manufacture, transportation, and disposal, the Prius is probably not nearly as green as a Toyota Corolla or Chevy Cobalt. That being said, I really like Doorgunner's turd comment.

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...I can assure you that the Prius is very simple to place in neutral...
this may be true, but funky shift'R ka-nobz have a long history in automotive parlance...

with lots of evolutionary branches that go no where...

remember those 60s mopars with radio style push buttons on the dash for shiftin' ?

i know folks who suddenly reversed directions while just trying to toon from rocknroll2countrynwestern.
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while it may be easy for owners to learn how/where neutral is located,

it would have been SUPER EASY for 'yoda at 'yota to insist the drive by wire hard/soft ware ...

include a 'touch the brake and kill the accelerator' feature.

like ALmost every other drive by wire system.

OR to insist THAT be part of the recall/fix, it really should be, unless some hidden glitch prevents adding it.

my uber hi performance wire'r drive'r car has this and so should the yotas...

seems i read that ALL but 1 or 2 include this (1 being the largest vehicle maker on the planet?)

it was posted earlier that there is a risk of rolling backwards off a cliff in vehicles with this feature.

only folks assbackwards and ON a cliff should worry 'bout dat...
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and i agree with dg on the turdologic thinking, but we all know...

streamer turds don't stink and have 2 clean ends...

right?

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I can understand your concerns trying to learn and understand the Pirus's nuances if you paid as much attention to driving the Prius as you did to reading and quoting my post. Apparently you missed the part about me actually driving one when you wondered if my comments were from a driving experience. I drove it and liked it. Some aspects are a little different like the engine starting and stopping at will with it's own mind but I could easily get used to that. What is a shame is that American technology is all thru that car we just did not want to build and market it. So we let the Japaneese build it and market it very successfuly and all the jobs and exported money that go along with it. Who is exporting jobs overseas, it is us our own car manufacturers. Dodge pickups were greatly improved and updated by the Germans during the last decade and now made in Mexico When are we going to get back to building the best, again?
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I drove a Prius about 50 miles once and found it very easy to drive. Perhaps I am more adaptable than others to the unconventional. When I drive a car I am unfamiliar with, I spend a little time seeing where the controls are.

So far as brake override goes, it could also be a problem when parked on a steep hill with a car parked too close behind you. A kill switch for the fuel pump would be better than a brake override, but won't happen because it's cheaper to activate software in the computer. Then you can use the emergency brake to prevent roll back, but the foot operated emergency brakes in Toyotas are hard to control except they're either all on or all off.

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it might just be me but i'd try anything in a runaway vehicle at 94 MPH!

that is, unless it had a button for the nitrous. ;-)

as for the green/not green issues, please start a new thread somewhere.
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...So far as brake override goes, it could also be a problem when parked on a steep hill with a car parked too close behind you...
it could be...

and aliens could be using joy sticks to control ALL yotas from outer space.

imagining imaginary problems to a real fix for the real problem, is really imaginative ...

repeat after me....

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"hill assist" systems have LONG been used on manual tranny cars...

ya think they don't exist for AUTOMAT shifters?

having parked on many hills pointed UPwards or down and in tight quarters which just happened to be near waters edge...

there are no REAL issues/impediments/problems or rolling CRASHez as a result of incorporating brakekillthrottle technology.

it's been in use for a long time on millions of cars.

and the only real issue is that one cannot BURN rubber off the line vis a vis thunder road.

btw is yota still running those commercials with the tundra jetting toward a CLIFF, only to be halted by the massive brakes?

i don't think so...

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