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Old 02-26-2010, 01:34 PM   #239
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Bob, I thought the brakes would work that way because I remember that from being in a car being towed that had power brakes and how hard it was to control the braking. That was about 30 years ago, but the technology hasn't changed. That means to mean that once the engine is off, you have a couple of chances to stop the car with relatively normal power brakes and you only need one time to stop. If you pump the brakes, you got a problem pretty quickly. So, press the break pedal and don't let up.

Steering is another problem and you lose power steering immediately.

As for cruise, I thought the system of regulating fuel and therefore speed was totally electronic. But if the final link is mechanical, that's another problem. The problem I describe wouldn't affect acceleration, the "unintended" kind, though. Some relief in that. Another question to ask when I see the dealer—how does the cruise system link to the system—cable, chain or what?

It's good we have some guys here with lots of experience working for car dealers who actually understand how these things work.

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I don't know anything about Toyota's ( I don't pay attention much to foriegn auto's) On Fords however for the last 2 years or so some auto's(not light trucks) and small SUV's( Escape) have electric power assist steering. Key on/engine off you would have power steering. Altho at highway speeds you don't really need any assist. In fact most modern auto's dial back the power assist at speed as a fuel economy measure.
Cruise control on a fly by wire system is always also fly by wire. On Ford the first electronic(fly by wire) throttle was the 7.3 diesel powerstroke. No mechanical conection, all electronic. Quite a well proven disign. All Ford products the last 5 years or so are electronic throttle. Adios, John
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:30 AM   #240
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I had my pedal fix yesterday. It took about 40 minutes. I asked the service manager lots of questions, most of which he couldn't answer. I got the impression they were as confused by all this as the rest of us are.

How could the slight increase in spring tension keep the pedal from sticking—"I don't know". Both of us, driving home, felt a slight increase in the desire of the pedal to return, but it didn't seem like much.

Some Toyotas are having the brake override activated and others are not. It's already in the computer. On our Tundra, they were not told to activate it. I asked them what they thought about the safety issue where you have to give the vehicle gas while applying the brake on a steep grade—having been in a spot off road many years ago where rolling back meant going over a cliff, I think this can be very important. It was in a truck that kept stalling (it was a long ago girlfriend's truck) at high altitude. The service people had no opinion on that issue.

They do check to make sure systems are ok, so they do access the computer. I got a "Diagnostic Report" saying powertrain, chassis, electrical and network systems were ok. It also said "AOA Performed" but I don't know what that means. They seemed to say they weren't changing anything.

I asked about the sloppiness in the cruise control. They used to have a cable link, but by 2006 that was eliminated. A servomotor operates things directly and has some slop built into it. The mechanic said Toyota tolerated about a 5 mph variance. No wonder it's hard to set the speed. There's no fix.

They never touched the floor mat. I received a letter last fall telling me to remove the floor mat as a temporary measure until they figured out what to do. I left it where it was since it would have to come to life to be a problem.

Today I see GM is recalling 1.3 million cars for steering pump problems and Toyota has to replace oil hoses. They say the oil hoses are not a safety issue, so it's not a "recall". It sounded like if the hose leaks enough, the engine seizes.

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Today I see GM is recalling 1.3 million cars for steering pump problems and Toyota has to replace oil hoses. They say the oil hoses are not a safety issue, so it's not a "recall". It sounded like if the hose leaks enough, the engine seizes.

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I heard that this morning too, Gene, and what crossed my mind was that perhaps Toyota is thinking, "Let's get all the skeletons out of the closet now and take one big hit, rather than get over the sticky throttle then get whacked later for the oil leak."

Who knows, of course, just idle speculation.

I'm wondering when the right tiome to buy their shares will be. They took a big hit compared to where they were in January of this year, but they're now only somewhere around last April's value...

[Edit] Then I go to the front page of the CBC webite, and there's an article, "Toyota Canada sold 24 per cent more vehicles in February compared to the same month a year earlier, despite a huge worldwide recall of its products, the automaker reported Tuesday."

People just like their cars, I guess!
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Just back from getting my "fix" done. Like Gene including the test drive it took about 40 minutes. Do I feel any safer - no. Had a rubber aftermarket floor mat that I'd cut down so much it didn't even come near the gas pedal which they removed and put in the truck bed - didn't even leave it in the cab. Now back where it belongs. They also removed the aluminum Toyota Accessory pedal but that looks like it just slides on over the regular pedal so it will be returned also when I get around to it. In my opinion a waste of time but at least now if something should happen down the road Toyota can't claim it happened because I didn't get the "fix" done. BTW according to my receipt the dealers are getting $56.25 for doing this - 25 cents for the part and the rest labor.
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Some Toyotas are having the brake override activated and others are not. It's already in the computer. On our Tundra, they were not told to activate it. I asked them what they thought about the safety issue where you have to give the vehicle gas while applying the brake on a steep grade—having been in a spot off road many years ago where rolling back meant going over a cliff, I think this can be very important. It was in a truck that kept stalling (it was a long ago girlfriend's truck) at high altitude. The service people had no opinion on that issue.
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I agree with Gene, I'm wondering about manual transmissions starting on a hill, seems that's a forgotten art in today's computer world.
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You may be saying that in jest but in the end that is going to be the only sure fired way to override a computer failure. Cutting off the fuel.

A toggle switch wired in series with the fuel pump circuit would do it. Car takes off you just turn the fuel off. Probably less than $30.00 in parts and an hour to install, but they will spend hundreds in recall labor replacing floor mats and pedals and hundreds of thousands in ads just to not have to admit the real problem.
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I am not reading 18 pages of this, but all I can tell you is this is proof people cannot think for themselves and take personal responsibility for this. I have an 08 tundra, also in this tundra I have heavy rubber floor mats. One day while cleaning the truck I took the mats out clean and put them back in. After I finished I got in my truck to move it. Turned it on but my foot lightly on the brake, shifted to drive, but my foot firmly on the brake and the truck took off. What I found out later was I had placed the floor mats ontop of the pedals it was my stupid mistake. Now while the engine is at redline, my truck is about 10 feet from a retaining wall the the brakes cannot hold the truck back. So what do I do, pop the truck in to N engine is still going balls to the wall, shut it down than notice my mat ontop of the pedals I was pissed at myself for being stupid and got lucky nothing bad happend.

Thats my little story all it takes is quick thinking and reacting to what is happening around you. But I did get the recall done, according to the service guy it was a shim and heavier spring to make sure the pedal can overcome the weight of a floor mat.
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according to the service guy it was a shim and heavier spring to make sure the pedal can overcome the weight of a floor mat.
Now that is the only silly thing thing I have heard yet, related to this debacle!
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But I did get the recall done, according to the service guy it was a shim and heavier spring to make sure the pedal can overcome the weight of a floor mat.
Glad you could stop before you hit the wall.

The story the service guy told you was the first mention of the rationale that the increased return tension was to overcome the weight of the floor mat. That's a different story than the one that has been out there—the pedal sticks and the spring tension has been increased to prevent sticking. I wonder if service guy made that up or heard it from somewhere?

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Two items.

First, people who've had the recall are continuing to report unintended accelerations: NY Times article.
The owner of a 2009 Camry said that on Feb. 25, two days after the car received the recall repair, it suddenly sped up and went into a ditch. The owner of a 2010 Camry repaired Feb. 12 wrote that the car accelerated into a snow bank five days later. Both drivers said they had tried to brake, but were unable to stop the car before going off the road.
My understanding is that these are based on reports to the NHTSA and have not yet been confirmed by that agency.

On a related note, Edmunds is offering a million bucks if you can solve the problem.
Link Here.

They really need to get this sorted out.
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Two items.

First, people who've had the recall are continuing to report unintended accelerations: NY Times article.
The owner of a 2009 Camry said that on Feb. 25, two days after the car received the recall repair, it suddenly sped up and went into a ditch. The owner of a 2010 Camry repaired Feb. 12 wrote that the car accelerated into a snow bank five days later. Both drivers said they had tried to brake, but were unable to stop the car before going off the road.
My understanding is that these are based on reports to the NHTSA and have not yet been confirmed by that agency.

On a related note, Edmunds is offering a million bucks if you can solve the problem.
Link Here.

They really need to get this sorted out.
The reports are trickling in;

Toyota’s fix not working, some owners say - Autos- msnbc.com

The $.25 shim and the floormat thing are an insult to the Consumer. Looks like Toyota is going to have even more 'splainin to do!
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