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Old 02-17-2010, 09:18 AM   #197
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When will it end???

Toyota probes Corolla steering, considers recall - Yahoo! Finance
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:08 AM   #198
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FWIW..

I think a lot of folks are having a problem relating to the 'GAS PEDAL" as being the problem, it might be better to think of it as using your foot to work your "mouse", not so good.
So now it turns out it just might be a 'puter problem after all. No S. S.

I hear the US Chairman said yesterday that we consumers may not be using their vehicles properly...or more accurately, the company did not take into full account how we consumers use their vehicles.

Holly Cr@p it is OUR fault....
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:14 AM   #199
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Glad I put new, better tires on the Airstream so I can go 120 mph. 23 days since they said they'd be sending out recall letters and I haven't gotten one yet. Even the pony express (or a Toyota) was faster.

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Gene,

If your vehicle is included in the recalls your dealer can get a computer printout, (gm called it a VISS ck, vehicle info and service survey), if the recall is is listed they can use that for authorization.

Recalls were one of the biggest pains, especially now with the interweb, customers would know about them long before the letters were sent or parts were available, really bad when it was a safety concern.

Good Luck, keep the senz of humas...
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So the great myth of “Toyota Quality” has been exposed; lie, cover-up, manipulate data, and you can lead consumers to believe you make the best product of its kind on the planet! It is interesting to note that the NHTSA has stated that they may change laws so that foreign companies that wish to sell automobiles in the US will be subject to the same disclosure laws…are you kidding me? How long have foreign companies been able to skirt the recall regulations? No wonder they have been so successful in marketing their product to some Folks…it’s all smoke and mirrors.

Let’s hope this whole charade convinces more Folks to return to our roots. Buy American products, produced by American owned companies. Some may argue they are no better than foreign products…they are certainly no worse, and they are subject to laws and regulations that protect the consumer! At the very least, the profits stay here, in our own economy.

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Let's be fair, Bill. I'm as angry as anyone about how Toyota has handled this, but the emphasis on quality by auto manufacturers started in Japan, not Detroit. If the Japanese hadn't created cost saving strategies like "just in time" and initiated advanced quality control efforts, who would have? Detroit did it because they had to, not because they wanted to. Toyota lost its way in an effort to become the world's biggest and they are paying a huge price for it. Ironically, GM used to be dominant, far more than Toyota, decades ago and got complacent and arrogant, and paid a huge price. This whole mess is more a comment on how humans (mis)manage companies, no matter where they live, than about foreign manufacturers.

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So now it turns out it just might be a 'puter problem after all. No S. S.

I hear the US Chairman said yesterday that we consumers may not be using their vehicles properly...or more accurately, the company did not take into full account how we consumers use their vehicles.

Holly Cr@p it is OUR fault....
There was never any chance that the problem was in the pedal. It has always been a computer problem and that is why they are taking so long. They have not figured out how to fix it.

MY QUESTION Has anyone had their car repaired yet. Toyota Claims 50,000 day, but then again there were 10,000,000 people at "Woodstock" if you ask individuals where they were that weekend.

What I can't figure out is why the company that made the pedals has remained quite so long.
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smoke and mirrors? that's funny.

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So the great myth of “Toyota Quality” has been exposed; lie, cover-up, manipulate data, and you can lead consumers to believe you make the best product of its kind on the planet! It is interesting to note that the NHTSA has stated that they may change laws so that foreign companies that wish to sell automobiles in the US will be subject to the same disclosure laws…are you kidding me? How long have foreign companies been able to skirt the recall regulations? No wonder they have been so successful in marketing their product to some Folks…it’s all smoke and mirrors.

Let’s hope this whole charade convinces more Folks to return to our roots. Buy American products, produced by American owned companies. Some may argue they are no better than foreign products…they are certainly no worse, and they are subject to laws and regulations that protect the consumer! At the very least, the profits stay here, in our own economy.

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What have you been smoking?

I just do not get this blind loyalty you have with American vehicles. Have you never been disappointed by ANY American vehicle you have owned or can even admit that there were huge quality issues with many of the big three makers over the past thirty or so years?

I have owned them all. And paid dearly and treated badly by their dealers so long I can never go back. Why reward them for what THEY did there own product line?

And owning a Toyota means that I profit from it. Not really worried about the fatcats profit line.

My made in Indiana Toyota will out last any US of Mexico made truck X2. Or more.

Keep rewarding the fatcats and seedy dealers if you want but don't tell me how to waste more money supporting an inferior product.

Put that in your profit pipe and smoke it!

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Howie, I think CTS has nothing to gain by speaking out. Toyota is taking all the heat and few people pay attention to the parts company.

I lived less than 100 miles from Woodstock, but in the grand scale of things, I was there!

I just talked to someone at the local dealer and they are no longer requiring recall letters because there's such a backlog in sending them out. Even though I think there's a good chance it's in the electronic module(s), it is important to get the fix (they either replace or modify the pedal) because if something happens afterward, Toyota can't claim you didn't get the pedal fix and that's what caused a problem. And if it is the pedal, it's fixed, maybe.

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Let's be fair, Bill. I'm as angry as anyone about how Toyota has handled this, but the emphasis on quality by auto manufacturers started in Japan, not Detroit. If the Japanese hadn't created cost saving strategies like "just in time" and initiated advanced quality control efforts, who would have? Detroit did it because they had to, not because they wanted to. Toyota lost its way in an effort to become the world's biggest and they are paying a huge price for it. Ironically, GM used to be dominant, far more than Toyota, decades ago and got complacent and arrogant, and paid a huge price. This whole mess is more a comment on how humans (mis)manage companies, no matter where they live, than about foreign manufacturers.

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The Japanese learned everything they know from an American; Dr. Deming. The Japanese took American ideas and did a great job of implementing them.
They are great imitators. Not innovators.

And yes, Toyota has admitted they have lost their way in pursuit of sales...

The reality is you cannot buy a "bad" automobile today (even a yikes! Korean car!) will last 150k miles.
That is my point; if they are all good, and they are...why not "buy American".

Some of you know I had a bad experience with a yota a few years back...I'm all set with that. Went back to GM and have stayed since,
in my case, there is no foreign truck offered with the capability to carry and/or tow my toys...so I drive American trucks by choice and necessity.

I don't really think Japanese vehicles are any worse (although the current situation is...troubling?) but I do not believe they are any better either.

I'll buy American.

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This will be a nice wake up call for the entire industry.
Things need to get shook up every once in a while to keep these companies honest.
The comsumer should come out the winner on this in the long run.
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Bill, are you going to buy me one?

Yes, Toyota learned from Deming, but US companies learned from Toyota. Hyundai learned from Toyota too. Even Kia's are getting better. Almost everyone copies someone else. The Greeks knew the world was round thousands of years ago, Basques visited Newfoundland before Columbus "discovered" America, Vikings were here, Siberians settled the Americas, so it's hard to be first and the credit goes to the people who write the history and capitalizes on the "discovery"—Columbus. Americans invented disk brakes, Europeans adopted them, Americans finally caught on.

Toyota trucks have still rated higher than US ones in reliability before the acceleration thing came up. I think that's unfortunate because things being equal I would certainly look at other brands. We have only 30,000 miles on our Tundra, so it will be some time before we need a new truck. I hope there are choices.

Of course, I want to buy a new truck before the old one wears out. My wife has never said no because she likes them as much as I do. I told her when we bought the Tundra to say "NO!" when I start talking new truck and slow down when I pass Toyota dealers. So far, she'd followed instructions, but after about 4 or 5 years she will weaken. Only one or two years, seven months to go. Whoppee! Do I want a red one, a silver one?—decisions, decisions. I'll bet Tundras are heavily discounted now.

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What color Chevy would you like?

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We have only 30,000 miles on our Tundra, so it will be some time before we need a new truck.
Let's hope...
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