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Old 02-28-2012, 09:31 PM   #29
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Same outfit I ran into..

A week ago I also saw the same add on Cregslist.. Sounded too good,, and having a good friend getting called into active service from the National Guard and going to differant bases for training,,,, the story carried some value..

I also played the email tag game and out of the blue got contact from another fellow selling the same AS with the same YouTube vid,, for the same money just a little differant story.. Cant remember his name right now,, but played them both for several days..

Once I put together the fact that one base the trailer was stored was in Oregon and the other base was in AZ. I googled the one in Oregon and popped right up.

Never was in the service but know darn well solders have a hard time getting personal items shipped across the country when transferred let alone a full sized trailer. .

So at the close of our little game I wrote them both back asking if they ran the scam from the same office,, and if so they needed to compare notes a lot better.. Slip ups like that can land them both in jail.

What a jerk world we seem to live in anymore..
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OK, so I'm still stringing this con-artist on just to gather some more info how he, and other scam artists operate. The latest is that he sent me the google checkout paperwork. I will try to copy the PDF he sent me: (I changed my name and address)

Google Checkout Safety Department [ Payment Invoice GCMT-358325721061 ]
This Agreement contains the complete terms and conditions that apply to your participation as a Purchaser in the Google Checkout Managed
Transaction - 358325721061. Our goal is to make your shopping experience quick, efficient and one of the best possible.
Google Checkout Program has verified all the details of this transaction and we concluded that they are accurate, therefore we have approved a
Purchase and Sale Agreement between the Seller
Lawrence Mangus and the Purchaser Mufasa

Transaction Details:
Item Description: 2007 Airstream 27FB Safari Travel Trailer
Unit Price: $ 7,500.00 US
Shipping Fee: $ 0.00 US
Total Price: $ 7,500.00 US
Seller: Lawrence Mangus Buyer: Mufasa
B-304th MI Bn.
USAG Fort Huachuca,
AZ. 85613,
United States.
Blah Blah Drive
Somewhere,
SC. 29464,
United States.
Transaction #: 358325721061
Inspection Period: 10 calendar days
Transaction fulfilled using: Military Transport Operator
Escrow Fee to be paid by: Seller
Google Checkout takes several steps to protect both the Buyer and Seller against fraud.
Both Buyers and Sellers benefit from using Google Checkout, a neutral third party, to monitor and transact the exchange of the money and
merchandise. We take your transactions seriously and protect them with the integrity you would expect and demand from a trusted and neutral
third party. You can be assured that with Google Checkout you will receive your merchandise before seller is paid. Google Checkout makes
sure that the goods you received from the seller are not defective before we release funds to the seller.
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Make the payment via Bank Wire Transfer. A wire transfer can be made from one bank account to another bank account. The transaction is
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Please follow the steps below to make payment through wire transfer using the following account information:
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Beneficiary Name Account Name: Csaba Budy Google Checkout Agent
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Account Number: 2013 0760 00 0200781713
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IBAN: ES3920130760000200781713
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Once the payment is confirmed by our financial department we will instruct the seller to proceed with delivery to your requested address. We will
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Same Scam in NorCal

Ran into Charles Vernon, using vernon75c@gmail.com & cv7523@gmail.com at this CL ad:
http://chico.craigslist.org/fud/2855319294.html

Offered to drive up there so I probably won't hear from him again.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:17 AM   #32
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OK, so I'm still stringing this con-artist on just to gather some more info how he, and other scam artists operate.
Hate to be a wet blanket, but don't carry your crusade too far…

Stringing along a suspected scam artist may be fun and exciting, but beware, lest YOU find yourself facing fraud charges!

If you pay real money for a fake trailer, he's the one that's guilty, but if you make a fake payment for a fake trailer, you're BOTH guilty of fraud in the eyes of the law.

If you really think this guy is a scam artist, the next step, since we're talking interstate commerce, is to report this guy to the FBI, and turn over everything you've collected so far, and let them take it from there.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:08 PM   #33
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If you pay real money for a fake trailer, he's the one that's guilty, but if you make a fake payment for a fake trailer, you're BOTH guilty of fraud in the eyes of the law.

I'm not sure of that. How can it be fraud to not pay for something that doesn't exist? The legal standard for fraud is pretty high and the more likely approach would be to sue for misrepresentation because it has a lower standard. That is the civil law approach, but why would this guy sue you?

Criminal charges against you seem unlikely because prosecutors have plenty of stuff to do, though there are some who like to charge everybody with something. Anyway, I'd report this and move on. This perp has so many listings, the authorities may actually do something. I'd go to the local ones and ask their advice. The FBI has put so many resources into investigating terrorism they have little left for cases like this or many other things they have done traditionally.

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I'm not sure of that. How can it be fraud to not pay for something that doesn't exist? The legal standard for fraud is pretty high and the more likely approach would be to sue for misrepresentation because it has a lower standard. That is the civil law approach, but why would this guy sue you?

Criminal charges against you seem unlikely because prosecutors have plenty of stuff to do, though there are some who like to charge everybody with something.
If only life was fair… In October 1992, a Federal court ordered me to pay $7500 for goods I never received, in a similar situation. Falsifying documents that showed you paid for something and not actually paying is fraud under the law, and the fact that the other party was simultaneously attempting to defraud me made no difference. Could be worse I suppose… I didn't go to prison and don't have a criminal record; paying for the goods I didn't get was the price of keeping a clean record.

AND I still had to pay for the lawyer who was no help at all, besides!
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AND I still had to pay for the lawyer who was no help at all, besides!
That was the penalty for not getting a better lawyer.

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Old 03-03-2012, 11:28 AM   #36
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If only life was fair… In October 1992, a Federal court ordered me to pay $7500 for goods I never received, in a similar situation. Falsifying documents that showed you paid for something and not actually paying is fraud under the law, and the fact that the other party was simultaneously attempting to defraud me made no difference. Could be worse I suppose… I didn't go to prison and don't have a criminal record; paying for the goods I didn't get was the price of keeping a clean record.

AND I still had to pay for the lawyer who was no help at all, besides!
So who got the $7500?
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That was the penalty for not getting a better lawyer.
That's right, mock my pain. You can get away with murder if you have the right lawyers, but there's no way to beat the rap when a taxable transaction is on the line.

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So who got the $7500?
The Federal court. No idea what they actually did with the money, but the judge SAID it would go to the other party.
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:27 PM   #38
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Protagonist, that's INCREDIBLE and a complete travesty of our legal system. I guess I shouldn't be surprised since our legal system is completely upside down, but this seems WAY beyond the pale.

You have my complete sympathy and a big thanks for sharing this and possibly saving others from the same fate.

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It's still happening

I sold my car on CL this week. I got more scam calls and e-mails. Then I got real calls. I sold it to the 1st guy who came and looked at it.
Glad that's over!

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Kindly let me know if i can make payment with a Bank Certified Check. I will wait for you to confirm and clear the check with your bank before any further pick up from the mover . And concerning the shipping I will handle it tru the shipping Agent that will come and pick it up , so what I will do is send you extra fee with your payment, all you need do is to deduct your money and get the excess paid to the mover before pick . (I'll provide the information later), he will come for the pick at your residence after the check clears. More so, I dont mind paying an extra fee of $50 if you can reserve the item for me and remove the AD from craigslist for me to be rest assured that i am having this item. Kindly send me details to make the check payment out Name, address and mobile # ASAP I will send payment before the week runs out

Once you get back to me with all the above information's,I will issue out immediately and it will be sent to you either FEDEX or UPS
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If only life was fair… In October 1992, a Federal court ordered me to pay $7500 for goods I never received, in a similar situation. Falsifying documents that showed you paid for something and not actually paying is fraud under the law, and the fact that the other party was simultaneously attempting to defraud me made no difference. Could be worse I suppose… I didn't go to prison and don't have a criminal record; paying for the goods I didn't get was the price of keeping a clean record.

AND I still had to pay for the lawyer who was no help at all, besides!
Help us all understand this, please: you falsified a document that showed you were paying for something. Why?
What proof did you have, at the time, that the seller was trying to rip you off?
Who initiated charges against you- the seller?
Why did the courts ignore the "fact" that the "seller" was a con-artist intent on robbing you, and then order you to pay this thief for goods you had not, and still have not, received from him/her?
In short, how is non-payment for a non-existent or mis-represented, fraudulent item a taxable transaction?
And are you saying that foreign Craigslist scam artists could sue, and win, in a US court, for faked payment via wire transfer for an item that the scammer neither owns nor will deliver?
Thanks for your help in understanding this complicated legal issue.
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Help us all understand this, please: you falsified a document that showed you were paying for something. Why?
What proof did you have, at the time, that the seller was trying to rip you off?
Who initiated charges against you- the seller?
Why did the courts ignore the "fact" that the "seller" was a con-artist intent on robbing you, and then order you to pay this thief for goods you had not, and still have not, received from him/her?
In short, how is non-payment for a non-existent or mis-represented, fraudulent item a taxable transaction?
And are you saying that foreign Craigslist scam artists could sue, and win, in a US court, for faked payment via wire transfer for an item that the scammer neither owns nor will deliver?
Thanks for your help in understanding this complicated legal issue.
Heck, I wish I understood it all so I could explain it better! It was almost twenty years ago. Craigslist didn't even exist back then. At the time, I responded to a listing for a used automobile, in a newspaper classified ad. I was trying to bait a person I had sufficient reason to believe was running a scam, similar to what has been described in this thread, and took it a step too far. The guy I was baiting proved to be a real con man; he ended up going to prison about a year later for running the same scam against someone who actually paid him real money for a nonexistent automobile.

I will not further discuss the details of my case. I do not enjoy reliving that particular experience. I mentioned it for one reason only, to warn other people who might try to bait scammers to NOT bait scammers! Report them to the FBI and let it go.
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Should not have made that fake payment with your real name i guess.....
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