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Old 09-16-2008, 11:02 AM   #1
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I live in a small town where everyone knows everyone else (and their business) and was visited by the tax collector about our 72 Overlander.
Should the taxes be what you paid for the 72 (not on the road yet) or what she is worth after rehab??
We didn't deside what to do yet, but I'm sure I'll get to pay whatever is the highest!!
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Old 09-16-2008, 11:05 AM   #2
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I pay about $30 bucks a year for my 76 Sovereign. In SC the tax is typically based on vehicle type, age, and purchase price/value.
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Old 09-16-2008, 11:28 AM   #3
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I live in a small town where everyone knows everyone else (and their business) and was visited by the tax collector about our 72 Overlander.
Should the taxes be what you paid for the 72 (not on the road yet) or what she is worth after rehab??
We didn't deside what to do yet, but I'm sure I'll get to pay whatever is the highest!!
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Let me get this straight, the Tax Collector actually walked onto your property and started personally inspecting your Airstream without being invited and without a warrant of some kind? Did you know he was there at the time he was on your property?

You raise a valid point, though. I'm trying to get an agreed value insurance policy on ours right now (much more than I paid for it). I hadn't thought about the tax guy sticking his nose in there. Like Kevin, I only pay about $30 per year for the tags. That's the only tax bill due in Georgia on a travel Trailer.

Good luck and let us know how this turns out.

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Old 09-16-2008, 11:47 AM   #4
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It's a small town and we all know each other.
Sandy (the tax collector) had a glass of sweet tea while we talked, but it did raise the question
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OK, so this wasn't an "official" visit then. I would think that the tax consequences wouldn't be any different than if you made minor modifications to the interior of your home (things like new piant and maybe, say, new kitchen cabinets). These things may increase the value of the property slightly (new vs old), but it's not like you added extra rooms via a new addition to the structure itself.

If you viewed it from the perspective of a vehicle instead of a home, I wonder if it would be any different. Like adding a bigger engine or more expensive wheels.

Seems like a vehicle would be a depreciating asset.

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Old 09-16-2008, 12:11 PM   #6
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Her in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania we pay a yearly vehicle registration. I think Motorcycles are $24.00, passenger cars are $36.00, and trucks go according to their weight class. So my heavy 3/4 ton is close to $200.00 / year; which is ridiculous becuase it doesn't get driven that much.

The trailer registration is $12.00. When I bought the '87 in Ohio I did not have to pay the 6% PA state sales tax until I titled and registered it in PA. So I had it for almost a year on the Temporary Ohio title. During that time I did my improvements and then paid the fiddler.
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Old 09-16-2008, 12:27 PM   #7
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Yes, I think it depends on what you mean by "tax."

If you're talking about a sales tax, then the only thing it should be based on is the sale price.

If you're talking about some sort of annual registration or vehicle licensing, then it varies by state, but in many states it is not based on the price or condition of the vehicle, but rather on various physical attributes like length, weight, # of axles, or other such items.

But this is entirely dependent on your state/local statutes, so I'd take a look at the applicable laws to determine what the rate should be.
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why would you have to pay taxes on something that is not road worth or usable?

i would think you could clam it as not being used or possible a parts trailer then once it was road worthy a liveable then pay your taxes on it i mean why should they get there hand in your pocket on something not even on the road or being used?.
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Old 09-16-2008, 02:41 PM   #9
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I live in a small town ... and was visited by the tax collector about our 72 Overlander.
Are you referring to personal property tax?
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:04 PM   #10
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From Cumberland County's informative website:

"According to NC General Statute 105-330 all licensed vehicles (cars, trucks, trailers, motorcycles, RV’s, etc.) are designated as a special class of personal property. The Tax Collector cannot send property tax bills for licensed vehicles to mortgage companies for payment. The tax bill will be mailed directly to the owner of the vehicle."

"All licensed vehicles are valued annually as of January 1 of the year the taxes are due at current market value. For property tax purposes Motor Vehicles values are based on the retail level of trade, by year, make and model of the vehicle and in accordance with NC Vehicle Valuation Manual."

"The value of the vehicle for tax purposes must be appealed to Cumberland County within 30 days after the billing date which appears on the front of this bill. Not withstanding N.C.G.S. 105-312-(d), an owner who appeals the appraised value of a classified motor vehicle shall pay the tax on the vehicle when due, subject to a full or partial refund pending the outcome of the appeal. Interest will accrue on unpaid amounts. Please address your appeal to the Customer Service Division, PO Box 449, Fayetteville, NC, 28302. You may call (910) 678-7507 or fax to (910) 678-7582."

I suggest waiting for the tax bill. If you think it's high, file an appeal. Show up at the appeal with photos and the NADA book value. In my experience, just going through the motions of an appeal will get some dollars knocked off a tax bill. Having some decent evidence to support your case will also help. So will being nice. The valuation of something as esoteric as a vintage Airstream trailer is a far easier appeal than one of a four-bedroom, two-and-a-half bath Colonial on a half-acre.
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:58 PM   #11
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"You are trying to charge me $XX.xx in taxes for a worn-out, 37-year-old travel trailer that we can't even use?"
I know when I lived in Kentucky (it's changed), you were assessed sales tax based on the NADA value, no matter what you paid for it, but anything over 10 years old was exempt. Maybe you can see if you can use that loophole in NC.
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I suggest waiting for the tax bill. If you think it's high, file an appeal. Show up at the appeal with photos and the NADA book value. In my experience, just going through the motions of an appeal will get some dollars knocked off a tax bill. Having some decent evidence to support your case will also help. So will being nice.
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Old 09-17-2008, 08:35 AM   #13
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As others have stated it usually depends on the state.

Part 1- Here in Missouri we have a sales tax which is assessed as a percentage of the sale price. Each time a vehicle is sold the new owner gets to pay that percentage to the state and municipality. We now have the luxury of deducting a "sale" or "trade in" from the taxable amount. In other words, if I sold a vehicle for $5000 and bought a new or newer one within 30 days, I'm allowed the sale amount off the new purchase price for figuring the sales tax. The feds get some, the state gets some and, if you live in a municipality, the city gets some.

Part 2-We have a county personal property tax (which includes cars, tractors, farm animals, etc.) which is based roughly on the year on vehicles. Fortunately, my highly modified '55 Chevy costs me about $40 a year because it is very old car. My '03 Harley costs me about $285 because it is kinda old. My '07 Maxima costs nearly $500 because it is newer and is worth more. The state feels that old stuff is worthless unless you claim "historic vehicle" which exempts you from inspections and a yearly license fee but gets you on the other end.

Part 3-Trailers in MO cost $17 per year to license. One doesn't have to get one of these if you are not taking it out on the roadway. If one has a current license for another trailer, he or she can usually use that plate to get somewhere, or at least that is what the big boys tell me-I have no personal first hand knowledge. If it is titled, then you get to pay the personal property tax. If you buy something and don't title it w/in 30 days, you penalized $25/month to a max of $200.

Part 4-Warrants? Taxing authorities do not need warrants to come onto ones property in MO. They do, however, need one to enter your residence. You are within your rights to run them off but the consequences can be dire. That is the subject of an off-topic post and is very lengthy. Suffice to say, it did not end pleasantly and cost me a lot of money but I did stand up for myself and they never got inside.
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Getting better results by being nice is how many things work. Tax assessors are just people trying to do a job. And, yes, they see more than their share of less-than-pleasant people who come in with a copy of the Constitution in one hand and a stick in the other. If what one wants is to make a point, by all means... thunder away. If what one wants is a lower tax bill, it helps to make a polite, sincere, well-grounded case to the tax assessment office.

Oh, and by the way, the assessor's office cannot charge you more because you choose to appeal. The can only let the original assessment stand or reduce it.
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