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Old 06-19-2013, 01:16 PM   #29
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I Just bought a 1500 Suburban. I have owned three others. I didn't buy this one to tow with. We use the F250 for that. I have to say I am seriously disappointed in the overall quality of this Suburban. I have a top of the line LZT and I don't think it is made very well at all. I regret buying it. It has great room inside for the dogs and that is the nicest thing I have to say about it.
I hear you on the "build" quality of the new Suburbans. Unfortunately, I use the MB as the yardstick to measure up to, and know full well, that's not fair.

We bought the Suburban knowing that the build was not MB, so from that POV, it's no surprise. With the 2500, there's no LZT, so we had to settle for the LT.

As I say, we only had it for a few months (April 1st), so my story is very incomplete.
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Old 06-19-2013, 02:51 PM   #30
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Hitch weight will be the constraint. Dry trailer tongue weight (735 lbs) plus weight distribution hitch (150 +/- lbs) plus a percentage of your stuff in trailer (say 150 lbs) all for a total hitch load over 1,000 lbs.

From what I can tell most SUV's hitch capacities top out between 600 to 900 lbs. Most half tons around 1,000 lbs. You'll probably need a 3/4 ton truck unless you are okay with knowingly towing in an overloaded condition.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:46 PM   #31
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HI Paula,
Glad to see you back on the road again, I know i'm in the UK, but here's my 2 pence worth, It's funny really, as i was only speaking to my friend Mark today, who lives in Kansas, I was telling him about my Nissan, (you would call it the Frontier) i get 30 yes 30 miles per gallon when towing my 73 overlander, over 40mpg without. it is over 200hp has 480lbs torque and is 4 x 4, So if you can get a TITAN SUV, with a diesel, at least consider it.
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On this side of the pond, we cannot get the excellent diesel engines you have in the Frontier/Navarra. We either get a four cyl gas, or the really nice 4.0 gas V6. The trailer she is buying would be too much for the Frontier with the gas motor though.
EDIT: Titan only comes with 5.6 gas motor, and a too tall 3.36 gear.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:12 PM   #32
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I went through some of the same issues after I wrecked both my truck and trailer in 2010. I could not find a SUV that would meet my payload needs, so I ended up towing my 25' Safari with a 2500 Silverado, after being over weight at a Cat Scale (both GVRW and axle weight) with a Silverado 1500.

To answer your question regarding a 1/2 ton Suburban, this is a link showing their capabilities.
2013 Chevy Suburban Half Ton Capabilities | Large SUV | Chevrolet

The 4 wd has a 1,580 lb payload, which is far too light for my needs. The other issue is if you have close to the GVRW 7,400 lb, then the maximum weight of the trailer could only be 6,600 lb, or the 14,000 lb combined rating would be exceeded.

You said you were looking for used. If you find a 1500 Silverado that has the 6.2L gas engine and 6 speed transmission it most likely will have the maximum tow package. This vehicle would have a payload around 1,900 to 2,000 lbs and would tow your trailer like a champ! I had a 2010 Silverado with the maximum tow package. It would tow my 1999 30' Excello even in the mountains, though it was close to the max payload. I am thinking of going back to this 1/2 ton Chevy with the maximum tow package.

If you are in the market for a 2500 Silverado, I know where there is a 2012 6.0L with 6 speed with less than 10,000 miles on it that can be had for under blue book value. And I'll deliver it to your door step!
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:17 PM   #33
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I tow a 27 foot Overlander with an 05 Toyota Sequoia which is essentially the same vehicle as the Tundra in an SUV form-same frame, same engine. Since mine is an 05 it's a slightly smaller V-8-it's a 4.9, has a transmission cooler built-in and is built to tow with an automatic/manual level adjustment feature which is handy when hitching up. It also has a set of third row seats that can be taken out, fit's a piece of sheet goods 48" wide, can easily fit 60 with all seats folded down and is very comfortable to drive. It also has 4WD which I really appreciate in our winters! I will say it can bog down a bit going up mountains. If we didn't have two older boys in tow as well, I probably would have bought a newer tundra crew cab with a 5.7. Good luck getting back on the road again.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:21 PM   #34
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[QUOTE=rayandre;1317651]I tow a 27 foot Overlander with an 05 Toyota Sequoia QUOTE]

How much does your 1970's 27' weigh? I'll bet it is substantially less than a later 2010's trailer of similar length!
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4800 empty and roughly about 5500-6000 full I would estimate
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:51 PM   #36
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Based on our experience with a 2012 Dodge Ram 5.7 4x4 with 120" wheelbase and Propride hitch, I am enthusiastic about the late model 5.7 Durango R/T 4x4 with Hensley/ProPride. They'll deal on them.

Virtually the same mechanicals, weight, payload, and wheelbase, but also has full independent suspension. The stability and handling would amaze you compared to your old truck, with or without the Airstream, and easy to get around town.

And they're very decent on gas mileage.

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Old 06-25-2013, 06:21 AM   #37
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I own what Doug suggests, only mine lacks the firmer suspension of the R/T. (It's still pretty firm.) My DW gets 17-18 in her commute of mixed driving and we get 11-12 when towing. I've seen a fairly easy 22 mpg from highway cruising w/o the trailer.

Coming home Sunday with the AS, I had to swerve around a retread tire carcass at 60 mph. Rig performed very well, even with the simple Eaz-Lift hitch. (Might get a ProPride next year, but curious if the stinger weighs more than my WD insert.)

FWIW, a 2014 Silverado or 2013 Ram with the 8spd will beat my Durango's fuel economy.

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Old 06-25-2013, 08:23 AM   #38
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4800 empty and roughly about 5500-6000 full I would estimate
The 25' trailer the OP was talking about weighs in at max 7,300 lbs. A substantial difference.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:24 AM   #39
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The 25' trailer the OP was talking about weighs in at max 7,300 lbs. A substantial difference.
That number is Airstream's spec and doesn't necessarily relate to reality. We have a 2006 Safari FB 25' and after a real house cleaning last year removing anything and everything that was not used or needed, the weight of the trailer with full propane tanks is 6382#. By the same token, the real tongue weight with a Propride hitch is 1050# on this trailer.

FYI, the 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 with the 6 speed transmission, factory tow package and 5.7 Hemi has a 7200# tow rating with 360 HP and 390 foot pounds of torque. This was the last model year with M-B influence. Also has independent suspension with air ride. Just returned from Albuquerque yesterday average 19 MPG at 80 MPH average. This is a fast well handling SUV.
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Your determination through adversity is admirable "and" inspirational for all.
You might want to take a close look at Tundra LTD, and weigh the value for dollar AND the reliability. You will find that most people that have them are very happy with the comfort, durability and toughness. Besides, low mileage(less than 30M or so) are there. Life's a kick in more ways than one.
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That number is Airstream's spec and doesn't necessarily relate to reality. We have a 2006 Safari FB 25' and after a real house cleaning last year removing anything and everything that was not used or needed, the weight of the trailer with full propane tanks is 6382#. By the same token, the real tongue weight with a Propride hitch is 1050# on this trailer.

FYI, the 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 with the 6 speed transmission, factory tow package and 5.7 Hemi has a 7200# tow rating with 360 HP and 390 foot pounds of torque. This was the last model year with M-B influence. Also has independent suspension with air ride. Just returned from Albuquerque yesterday average 19 MPG at 80 MPH average. This is a fast well handling SUV.
How does your payload and combined weight look when you weigh the whole rig at the scale?
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I, like most, have opinions on vehicles, but what are you comfortable in? Go with the SUV, more creature comforts. I like my Toyota Land Cruiser. I have power, 4WD, a tail gate, and it's more dependable than anything yet mentioned, with 275,000 miles, and I still feel good about taking it anywhere with my trailer.
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