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Old 06-19-2013, 06:45 AM   #15
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Whatever you get, make sure it's configured correctly for your use. Depending on truck or SUV, a 5.2/5.3/5.4 should be adequate for towing, with proper gearing. 3.73 should be good for that. Depending on manufacturer, you should be able to find the rear axle ratio code on the builder's data plate. This is usually inside the glove box door or driver's door pillar. A quick Google search for axle codes should net you what you need to know while standing next to the truck (ain't smartphones great?).
Tire and wheel size also effect how whatever you end up with will perform. Obviously, try to stay away from the ones with oversize tires and wheels, or the ones that have tires that look like rubber bands lining the wheels. Jacked up (lifted) or lowered are also a step in the wrong direction.
I know you know most of this, but being reminded never hurts. I'm guessing my suggestion of an Avalanche was not what you are looking for.
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:32 AM   #16
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I like my 2WD V10 Ford Excursion. It is a truck and an SUV. Miliage is not great but I bought it to tow and it was cheap enough that I did not have to justify it as a daily driver. It is bigger than an Expedition but drives about the same. Niether one gets great miliage.

Another bad thing about trucks is for some reason the manufactures think that taller trucks with bigger tires etc is a good thing. It makes the truck more imposing and better offroad but it makes it a much crappier vehicle to live with all the redneck, mine is bigger mentality. Even small trucks like the Tacoma are getting bigger.

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Old 06-19-2013, 08:01 AM   #17
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Mercedes ML-350 CDI diesel 4WD. I drove one of these a few months ago when my Sprinter was in for service. WOW!

I was so impressed I actually started thinking about ditching the Sprinter and outfitting a cargo trailer with all of my tools and supplies for my service work, but alas the numbers didn't work out so well.

It is a quick, sure-footed daily driver that gets great fuel mileage and with a little tweaking of the hitch by Andy T. at Can AM, it will be a great tow vehicle for your EB.

Think about it!
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:04 AM   #18
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We love our Expedition EL w all the storage that will even carry 4X8 sheets of plywood. We have no problem towing, just returned from a great trip to Texas. the anti sway and all the safety features make it a good choice. Sine we rolled the last Exp. and the roof did NOT crush, we feel very safe in it. We travel at 60-62, most everyone passes us.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:14 AM   #19
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:36 AM   #20
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Because of where we live, towability was and is a big issue. All of our favorite campground require that we travel mini mountains over and over. If we were flatlanders, well, that would be another story.

AND we wanted something we could garage. This immediately ruled out trucks (somehow, the image of the missus driving a truck is hard to conjure).

We had a MB GL450. It handled the 23FB just fine, but…

In spite of all the Can Am afficionados out there, its 600 lb hitch weight just couldn't handle the 25 FB.

AND I know the 2500 Burb is overkill for my current needs, but who knows? Maybe there's yet one more AS in our future, and I damn sure don't want to have to go through another new TUG search at the same time.

Now we've only had the Suburban for a few months. And it's quite a bit larger than the MB, but from what I've heard, if you're trying to stay in the SUV arena, you might as well get one that will carry you well into the future.

But, as they say…your mileage may vary.

Best of luck to you Paula, in your search!!
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:10 AM   #21
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I also say look at a Durango. I went to it from an ML500 and have no regrets.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:31 AM   #22
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Paula,

A friend of ours-Screamstream- on the forums tows with a Jeep grand Cherokee. I think it is a '09/'10? She has a 2011 EB FB. Does very well with it. Several trips up north and even took the rig down the Tail of the Dragon! I'm sure Carol would give you her insight.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:33 AM   #23
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SUV - Stupid Useless Vehicle? In a word, YES...

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Starting Over - Well insurance helps, but... when you go from an 2006 Safari 25FB to a 2012 Eddie Bauer 25FB... well a payment book comes with that choice.
The EB 25FB carries a 7,300 pound Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) rating.

I do not know of may Stupid Useless Vehicles that can deal with that much weight. And I see no reference to that in any of your concerns, below.

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So my choice of Tow vehicle will also change. I won't be moving up to anything bigger, and I probably won't be doing a whole lot of mountain towing. The first time I was "foiled" I got a 2500 Suburban. The mileage difference between towing and non-towing was almost not noticeable so I went to a truck. This time around, after having the monster 2008 Silverado 2500 quad cab long bed diesel, I am ready to consider half ton vehicles as better all-around vehicles, and adequate to tow at 55 mph tow vehicles. I'm also only going to consider used vehicles of recent vintage.
I saw the thread started by your sister about your recent accident. I noted in one of the posts by you in that thread that you were going to "slow down" in the future. I see in the above paragraph that you are referencing 55 MPH. Based on my experience, the speed that you will travel in not something that is all that important in the selection of a tow vehicle.

Yes, speed can be a very important factor in what happens when on the road. But, unlike those TV commercials we saw in the 1960's where the tag line was "Speed Kills" (and yes, this was before the era of dangerous drugs) I, in my youth, kept asking why the astronauts were not dead because they go very fast, indeed. I have not seen a vehicle melt on the planet earth due to speed. I have seen them badly mangled because they were traveling at a speed that prevented the driver from negotiating a cure in the road which allowed both vehicle and driver to get up close and personal with the tree that they became acquainted with when the adhesion factor for the tires became too extreme and they continued in a straight line rather than follow the road around the curve.

What's the point? There are numerous factors other than speed that you should be considering for your tow vehicle. For example, torque is much more important for "pulling power" than horsepower. And the weight ratio of your vehicle to the torque will also have an impact as will the weight of your trailer in relation to the weight of your tow vehicle.

You had a relatively heavy tow vehicle attached to your trailer when you had the accident. What do you think would be different if your tow vehicle weighed in at several hundred pounds (like maybe 1000) fewer than your truck? Me thinketh the tail would have wagged the dog a tad more than it did.

I tow a 30' Classic that weighs in just under the GVW (we full time as well) and that puts it just under 10K pounds. My tow vehicle is a F250 diesel with a flatbed on the back that has a 1000 pound motorcycle/sidecar rig sitting on top. That puts my tow vehicle at its GVW which is 10K.

I cannot imagine towing something as heavy as our trailer with a vehicle that weighs not near that what the trailer weighs. The heavier of the two vehicles will always win when the tow vehicle is no longer in control due to loss of power, breaking, etc., etc.

The balance for control when towing heavily laden items is like being on a razors edge; not a lot of room for error when things go wrong. I don't mean to dwell on your recent misfortune but I am somewhat amazed that you are considering a tow vehicle which your trailer would significantly outweigh.

Ya, just call me conservative when it comes to my "home" as it relates to all the bad things that can happen when things go wrong.

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I also don't like the following things about trucks:
  • have to pay for bed liner
  • have to pay for a locking tailgate
  • have to pay for a tonneau topper
  • or a regular topper
  • the bed is too high for someone who is vertically challenged.
Things that I DO like about SUV's
  • access from the side doors as well as back barn door/tail gate
  • lower access to interior and lower center of gravity
  • some have styling that puts wheels very close to corners - lower center of gravity - better control, less likely to roll?
  • more secure - lockable doors
  • choice between lift gate and barn door
  • hopefully better gas mileage as a daily driver
Before we had the flatbed for the moto we had the standard p-cup bed on the truck. I put a topper on it so I could secure the stuff (generator, bicycle, shelf unit for space control, etc.). The real problem with the topper was two fold. First side windows allowed others to see what what inside. The other was access to all our "stuff".

We solved the lookie loo question by covering the windows on the inside with black sheets. A do over would be purchasing something with NO windows.

The access problem was easiest to solve; a bed slide. This allowed our generator to be bolted to the rearmost portion of the slide such that it could be slid out just enough so the exhaust was outside. Granted, we were not in locations during that time that required the AC to be run at night. I had a three shelf steel unit bolted to the bed slide in the area closet to the cab. This really helped increase the storage space and helped with organizing it as well. Access was relatively easy because the slide pulled out such that I could get to everything on it rather than climbing inside, meaning up and over everything in the bed, while standing on the ground.


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Help me consider the possibilities and strengths and weaknesses (and any SUV's that I've neglected to consider. Time is short.

1. Chevy Suburban
2. Chevy Tahoe
3. Nissan Titan
4. Toyota Tundra
5. Ford Expedition
6. Ford Flex?
7. Mercedes? (cost is prohibitive?)

Input please. Paula
I'm with you on the four wheel drive aspect; we would still be in a campground in Georgia that had very loose gravel and a slight incline if were not for our four wheel drive.

So, I would think long and hard about towing 7,300 pounds with a vehicle that is considerably lighter than the towed vehicle.

Good luck to you in you recovery...

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Old 06-19-2013, 11:33 AM   #24
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Because of where we live, towability was and is a big issue. All of our favorite campground require that we travel mini mountains over and over. If we were flatlanders, well, that would be another story.

AND we wanted something we could garage. This immediately ruled out trucks (somehow, the image of the missus driving a truck is hard to conjure).

We had a MB GL450. It handled the 23FB just fine, but…

In spite of all the Can Am afficionados out there, its 600 lb hitch weight just couldn't handle the 25 FB.

AND I know the 2500 Burb is overkill for my current needs, but who knows? Maybe there's yet one more AS in our future, and I damn sure don't want to have to go through another new TUG search at the same time.

Now we've only had the Suburban for a few months. And it's quite a bit larger than the MB, but from what I've heard, if you're trying to stay in the SUV arena, you might as well get one that will carry you well into the future.

But, as they say…your mileage may vary.

Best of luck to you Paula, in your search!!
I Just bought a 1500 Suburban. I have owned three others. I didn't buy this one to tow with. We use the F250 for that. I have to say I am seriously disappointed in the overall quality of this Suburban. I have a top of the line LZT and I don't think it is made very well at all. I regret buying it. It has great room inside for the dogs and that is the nicest thing I have to say about it.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:39 AM   #25
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I Just bought a 1500 Suburban. I have owned three others. I didn't buy this one to tow with. We use the F250 for that. I have to say I am seriously disappointed in the overall quality of this Suburban. I have a top of the line LZT and I don't think it is made very well at all. I regret buying it. It has great room inside for the dogs and that is the nicest thing I have to say about it.
I have a 2500 4wd suburban from the last generation and what you say here is the way I felt about the 07 to 13 models, feels like a rent car quality. What a shame as I have owned 4 subs and always found them to be trouble free for 150k miles which I am sure the newer ones can do do but they feel so cheap and loose.
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HI Paula,
Glad to see you back on the road again, I know i'm in the UK, but here's my 2 pence worth, It's funny really, as i was only speaking to my friend Mark today, who lives in Kansas, I was telling him about my Nissan, (you would call it the Frontier) i get 30 yes 30 miles per gallon when towing my 73 overlander, over 40mpg without. it is over 200hp has 480lbs torque and is 4 x 4, So if you can get a TITAN SUV, with a diesel, at least consider it.
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I Just bought a 1500 Suburban. I have owned three others. I didn't buy this one to tow with. We use the F250 for that. I have to say I am seriously disappointed in the overall quality of this Suburban. I have a top of the line LZT and I don't think it is made very well at all. I regret buying it. It has great room inside for the dogs and that is the nicest thing I have to say about it.
Wow my experience is just the opposite. I have had 4 Suburban 1500's over the years and bought my 2012 LTZ Suburban last year. I have pulled my 1976 31' Sovereign with the current Suburban and 2 of the previous ones many many miles crisscrossing to various place from my home in the Houston area from AZ, CO, FL and other places. They have all driven, and towed without a problem in the mountains and super highways at posted speeds. The 2012 LTZ is the best that I have had. well made, solid and luxurious. Its a rear wheel drive with full tow package, 6 speed automatic transmission. I would not rule out a Suburban for your tow vehicle.
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