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Old 04-24-2007, 12:52 PM   #29
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Historically, the International coaches had heavier-duty frames than the non-International units. The reasoning behind this was a trailer outfitted with an International package may be taken to some god-forsaken part of the world where a road was a pair of ruts in the mud.
That doesn't mean all International coaches had the 5" frame, and that doesn't mean all non-International ones had the 4" frame, but that was the original intention.
So that does make some sense. I guess I got lucky and got the bigger frame.
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:19 PM   #30
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Now the question on the International vs. the non-International units. Do they still make the Internationals more rugged for more rugged terrain or is it just a name? (I think I know the answer).
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Now the question on the International vs. the non-International units. Do they still make the Internationals more rugged for more rugged terrain or is it just a name? (I think I know the answer).
If the food was prepared using fire, the meal was served long ago.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:53 PM   #32
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I'm hoping some other members would pipe in and add some correlation to the 'Internationals are built tougher' theory. It is the only thing that makes sense to me on why some '70's units have 5" frames when the general opinion is they all should have 4"er's
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Old 04-24-2007, 03:07 PM   #33
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I'm hoping some other members would pipe in and add some correlation to the 'Internationals are built tougher' theory. It is the only thing that makes sense to me on why some '70's units have 5" frames when the general opinion is they all should have 4"er's
Vernon, I remember reading this in a couple of publications, of course I can't find them now. Hopefully someone with better brain cell managment can help us out.
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Old 04-24-2007, 03:11 PM   #34
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If the food was prepared using fire, the meal was served long ago.
OK, I got that
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Old 04-24-2007, 07:01 PM   #35
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I expect I will find out soon enough about the frame thickness. Got me all excited just thinking about it. Quite right though, over kill is often under engineered. Tiny ribs and 3/8" plywood do a pretty good job in the hull of my boat and take quite a pounding. Same applies to the airstream. Strength comes from just the right angles,balanced support, and light weight materials.
All that does not mean my rig is not cobbled together though Overkill...ok my TV may be overkill...but not my cobbling
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I think the reason so many may "overkill" their Airstream renovations is because they are not professional Airstream restorers/builders and don't have the expertise in material strengths to know how much is enough so they feel the necessity to add a little more for good measure. My background is in architecture and I currently manage construction projects on a commercial scale. I still can't drive a nail straight, but even so, there is little correlation between commercial construction and Airstream construction. I would, if remodeling an Airstream, reconstruct it with the point of reference that I know and would over-engineer the construction by building the cabinets/furniture the way I would on a commercial project. Even residential projects don't have the same level of structural requirements that commercial project do.
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Too true. That said, over engineering does not always mean heavier. Looking at some of the couch redesigns in the forum quite a few folks put some serious thinking into making things light and strong. SUre, as an archetect you may not be able to resist planning that extra story, think astro liner...but I would stay away from any thought af a tilt wall Airstream
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you may not be able to resist planning that extra story, think astro liner...but I would stay away from any thought af a tilt wall Airstream
Actually, I like the idea of the Skydeck. There were a couple of flaws in the design though. One being the stairs...took up way too much valuable interior floor space. A ship's ladder would have been much more efficient and would have left room for some other amenity. Second, a better location for the ship's ladder would have made a better flow of space and would have allowed for another slide out for more living space. That upper deck virtually doubles the usable size of most camp sites.
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