View Poll Results: Should we post opinions on vendors
Yes 27 50.00%
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Old 10-26-2006, 04:39 PM   #15
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The poll indicates who has interest in the issue.

How many of the 16,000 members made more than 100, 25, or 10 posts

Members without participation means nothing.

Maybe this goes deeper, I believe the vendors pay or donate $$$ so if there's bad press no $$$. Is there a degree of protection by the Mods because of the $$$.

I don't know and I'm not saying there is either.

Be that as it may, the folks that operate this forum have to decide if they wish to sweep complaints under the rug or voice them in a democratic way.
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Vendors do not pay any fees at this time. They do not have any influence over the forum, or the moderation team. I really feel insulted when people imply they do, because we work very hard to treat everyone fairly.

Another thing I might point out is that the BBB exists to take complaints about businesses, yet some of the vendors that get complained about the most have very few complaints filed with the BBB. Seems to me like that is the best place to take them, yet few people do.
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Currently, there are:

6,372 members with at least one post
1,069 members with over 25 posts
663 members with over 50 posts
391 members with over 100 posts
119 members with over 500 posts
and 48 members with over 1000 posts

21 votes is still not a majority.

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Old 10-26-2006, 05:10 PM   #18
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Vendors do not pay any fees at this time. They do not have any influence over the forum, or the moderation team. I really feel insulted when people imply they do, because we work very hard to treat everyone fairly.

Another thing I might point out is that the BBB exists to take complaints about businesses, yet some of the vendors that get complained about the most have very few complaints filed with the BBB. Seems to me like that is the best place to take them, yet few people do.
I have spoken to 3 vendors and they did need to make donations, to have better signature links, so that is not correct.

The BBB is the biggest sham in US Business ever. If you pay to join you will NEVER get a complaint it will always be settled. So a retailers record can appear spottless, to join costs $600 -1800 a year. Each BBB branch is a paid franchise. They are FOR profit branches.

Don't think for one second that it is worth a dime of credibility.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:19 PM   #19
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Currently, there are:

6,372 members with at least one post
1,069 members with over 25 posts
663 members with over 50 posts
391 members with over 100 posts
119 members with over 500 posts
and 48 members with over 1000 posts

21 votes is still not a majority.

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Shari, you may define a majority any way you wish, I wonder how you rate polical polls?

Now to your numbers.

No majority of active members, but that is the way most forums are.

Not that there is anything wrong with having about 1,000 somewhat active members and 1,000 very active in a very specialized hobby.

In fact it great!

I'm at over 350 posts in 2 months, this forum is a plethora of valuable info which I enjoy.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:43 PM   #20
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this forum is a plethora of valuable info which I enjoy.
It is more enjoyable in no small part because of the " moderation" which you contest, done earnestly by volunteers who have little interest but to help promote and enjoy our pastime. I have done this since day one, and report to you that we have put up and put out a number of people who thought it ok to have their say here in anyway they felt was acceptable and to heck with rules.
So I suggest you continue to enjoy it, glean what you can from the great info here and quit bellyaching because you paid someone too much for shipping. Maybe you should have asked for the shipping amount before you paid.
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Shari, you may define a majority any way you wish
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I have spoken to 3 vendors and they did need to make donations, to have better signature links, so that is not correct.
If that is true then I must have missed the memo, because I do not know that any of them have paid for any special treatment, I do not moderate any of them differently, and it has never come up in a discussion about moderating someone that the vendor involved is a paid vendor or not.

I still say, we have laid out the rules to be fair to everyone. If you feel Airstreamers need a place to vent their negative vendor opinions, then go start up a blog or forum for that purpose. Positive comments about vendors you have had good experiences with are always welcome here.
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Old 10-26-2006, 06:05 PM   #23
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It is more enjoyable in no small part because of the " moderation" which you contest, done earnestly by volunteers who have little interest but to help promote and enjoy our pastime. I have done this since day one, and report to you that we have put up and put out a number of people who thought it ok to have their say here in anyway they felt was acceptable and to heck with rules.
So I suggest you continue to enjoy it, glean what you can from the great info here and quit bellyaching because you paid someone too much for shipping. Maybe you should have asked for the shipping amount before you paid.
Hold on a second I never said don't moderate!

I did check before I paid, and didn't order, I almost got screwed.

I think you should read the poll herein you're missing the point.

Don't tell people to quit their bellyaching, that attitude is wrong a forum! Moreover, in the context of this thread.

Forums are used to exchange ideas and opinions. Your attitude is misplaced in this exchange IMO.
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from my point of view there should be no vendor review section here.

as the other moderators have mentioned i am a volenteer and do not want to get in the middle of customer/vendor complaints. it has happened in the past and will happen again by a factor of ten if we allow it.

you might find it interesting that myself as a moderator have had issues with vendors that contribute here. shipping dates, quantity of orders, quality of product delivered etc.

instead of making it a public problem, i did what i usually do with people who do not meet my expectations of service. i picked up the phone and said "i have a problem how can we work this out?" and in every case it worked out. if my expectations of dealing with them was not met there are plenty of places one can go to get the issue resolved... just not here and not publicly!

i hope you understand that as a volenteer this is still a fun and informative place to visit, and as a moderator of this site it is my job to keep it that way.

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Lipets, one of my duties at the job I get paid for, is to handle customer complaints. Why would I ever want to have to do the same thing here?
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......Maybe this goes deeper, I believe the vendors pay or donate $$$ so if there's bad press no $$$. Is there a degree of protection by the Mods because of the $$$.......

This portion or your arguement is simply not true. Money FROM vendors paid TO this forum is not part of the equation.

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Shari, you may define a majority any way you wish, I wonder how you rate polical polls?

Now to your numbers.

No majority of active members, but that is the way most forums are.

Not that there is anything wrong with having about 1,000 somewhat active members and 1,000 very active in a very specialized hobby.

In fact it great!

I'm at over 350 posts in 2 months, this forum is a plethora of valuable info which I enjoy.
This post is most perplexing. Under what condition does a few dozen votes amongst the many thousands that Shari has laid out for you above constitute any type of majority?

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