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Old 07-22-2009, 09:22 PM   #71
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Old 07-22-2009, 09:25 PM   #72
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I am leaning toward AOA airstream owners association. All inclusive to all models and years. If Wally built it, you are in.
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:16 PM   #73
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:27 PM   #74
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. . . My insurance will cover my leg and I will not sue the campground for something I did.
Roger: You are correct that once you accept payment from your insurance company, you will not sue the campground. You will not be able to sue the campground because, in exchange for receiving payment from your insurance company, you will assign to it all your rights to recover against anyone at fault for causing your injury. So your insurance company may very well sue the campground, and perhaps also sue your friend who invited you there and organized the "unsafe" event at which you got injured. Ask your insurance agent about subrogation and assignment of rights.
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:39 PM   #75
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Roger: You are correct that once you accept payment from your insurance company, you will not sue the campground. You will not be able to sue the campground because, in exchange for receiving payment from your insurance company, you will assign to it all your rights to recover against anyone at fault for causing your injury. So your insurance company may very well sue the campground, and perhaps also sue your friend who invited you there and organized the "unsafe" event at which you got injured. Ask your insurance agent about subrogation and assignment of rights.
Well, perhaps that's it then. I will have to stop camping with friends and organizing, and participating in voluntary free rallies, through a free forum with free Americans.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:10 PM   #77
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Anyway, how 'bout Vintage Trailerites Association?
Marcus - I'm lucky enough to own both ~ a "modern" 2003 Classic and a vintage 1954 Cruiser. If you call the new club "Vintage Trailerites Assn.", will those who don't have the pleasure of owning a vintage be allowed to join in the fun??

From what I've read here, could it be possible the Airstream Co. just might accomodate a new club using the trademarked Airstream name . . . ? As in Airstream Owners Assn.
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Old 07-23-2009, 06:34 AM   #78
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That liability insurance continues to gain us access to exclusive sites where nobody else camps -- ever...
Leo, thanks for all the great info. I'm curious, since you are "up" on the budget, what does this Liability Insurance cost the club?
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Old 07-23-2009, 06:48 AM   #79
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I am leaning toward AOA airstream owners association. All inclusive to all models and years. If Wally built it, you are in.
I guess you mean if Wally, Art, Beatrice, or Thor built it....

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Old 07-23-2009, 07:29 AM   #80
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I can't be certain, without getting confirmation, but it looks like it's about $40,000.00 a year...
Which, in perspective, is about $6 - 7 a year per member family.
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Old 07-23-2009, 07:41 AM   #81
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So you are saying the first 727 members dues goes to JUST paying liability insurance? I think that number must be a little off. If the club actually had 7000 members today, that means almost 10% of the total dues collected goes to insurance.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:52 AM   #82
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So you are saying the first 727 members dues goes to JUST paying liability insurance? I think that number must be a little off. If the club actually had 7000 members today, that means almost 10% of the total dues collected goes to insurance.
Our automobile liability insurance with two vehicles and two drivers costs roughly 4% of our monthly salaries, and we have much lower limits than the Wally Club.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:54 AM   #83
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With all due respect. You are saying that the insurance co is going to sue the person responsible for me tripping over the table,which would be me, not the campground or the person who said "Lets go campin this weekend". In today's society it seems we are not willing to take responsibility for our own actions.
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We still will be where you are on the 31st. No matter whether there is insurance or not. Just so our friends are there is all that matters. We will worry about small details when we come to them.
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Sorry this has gotten way off topic I'll be quiet now and just go campin,In fact we are preparing to head out .
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:30 AM   #84
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IS THE $%#& WBCCI the only people able to get insurance? KEEP YOUR CLUB, no one is asking you to give it up.

No, I'm sure Tin Can Tourists has it and others too - to summarize, this proposed club did not want to have any formality, rules, officiers etc - there is some great advice on this thread and all we are saying is you will need some structure (ie formality and rules, state and IRS approval) officiers (which requires at least one annual meeting) and insurance - none of which is a big deal at all.

And, all I'm saying is we chose the route of forming a new unit within the WBCCI for the following reasons...

1. It was much easier - no state and federal filings
2. Did not want to fragment a fine group of people
3. We were able to keep our unit dues cheap - $1
4. We are able to cater to the needs of our members
5. Wanted to show we could attract new membership into the WBCCI
6. They already had the insurance in place.
7. And, frankly, wanted to challange WBCCI a bit to create a better overall organization for all by being a model unit to show it was ok to do things a little different while being a good citizen and supporting the WBCCI.

And, last but not least - we are having a blast!!

Had we not been so successful, I might be on board for starting a new club - but we have been incredibly successful and I think there are enough folks in the WBCCI who like what we are doing that frankly I see no reason to go off a start a new club. I really do understand where you are at - we as well as many were there too.

At our rallies, there is no business discussion at all - we just camp and have fun. There are other units doing the exact same thing as we are.

Good luck - as I said - I really do wish you well.

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