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Old 04-28-2009, 07:24 AM   #57
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In related auto news it looks like Daimler is finally giving up it's stake in Chrysler to allow the merger with Fiat.
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...ites-off-700m/
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Old 04-28-2009, 07:34 AM   #58
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...money saved from Pontiac, Saab, Hummer, Saturn would be pumped backed into the core products....look for GM to make a profit in 2010. I was shocked when Fritz said GM is reducing the dealerships by 42%..............toastie
It just might be a good thing for Saturn...of all of the GM products, I would most llikely purchase an auto from Saturn.

Could be the US will go back about one hundred years and wind up with a plethora of "mini-manufacturers"....

Now, all of you who voted for the Democratic Candidate last year please line up on the left....
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Old 04-28-2009, 07:49 AM   #59
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...Could be the US will go back about one hundred years and wind up with a plethora of "mini-manufacturers"....
Given the regulatory environment of today's auto industry, I'm not sure anyone could start one. A reasonable argument can be made that it is easier to start an aircraft company.

Too bad, all the diversity was interesting. There even was a car company here in Little Rock: Climber Motor Corporation - Encyclopedia of Arkansas.
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I took my licence driving test on my dad's 1964 Pontiac Laurentian (Canada model, but the same Big One the US had). Since dad never actually allowed me to drive it before taking the exam, I flunked parallel parking, but still managed to pass my test.

Some of you may remember those cars, they were about as big as Any car ever got, IIRC. A family of three could live in the trunk.

The space was Great for when I started dating...
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:26 AM   #61
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The 1968 I learned to drive in was even bigger than a 1964, and it was positively slight compared to Dad's 73. The 60s and 70s cars were huge.

Oh, I got luck on the parallel parking part, a simple straight in. Dad had temporary added curb feeler for the occasion. Ugly, but effective.
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It just might be a good thing for Saturn...of all of the GM products, I would most llikely purchase an auto from Saturn.

Now, all of you who voted for the Democratic Candidate last year please line up on the left....
Got a friend who swears by his Saturn(s). Blew the engine through self described negligence and Saturn replaced it gratis! A born again Saturno...

Seems to me that this auto-bank-financial crisis began quite a bit earlier than within the last 100 days. Am thinking that because of it, that's why people lined up on the left... Hopefully, he'll have 8 years to fix what the last 8 broke.
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Got a friend who swears by his Saturn(s). Blew the engine through self described negligence and Saturn replaced it gratis! A born again Saturno...

Seems to me that this auto-bank-financial crisis began quite a bit earlier than within the last 100 days. Am thinking that because of it, that's why people lined up on the left... Hopefully, he'll have 8 years to fix what the last 8 broke.
I agree 100%.. That last wizzard screwed up so much its like trying to repair a junk yard..GLAD HE IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Like most everything else, vehicles will increasingly come from overseas. From places where the manufacturing plants will continue to be powered by coal. Where workers get a living wage and that's about it. Where governments manipulate imports and exports to their own advantage. Places where people still hunger to advance.
Like steel, textiles, and electronics, goods always make their way to where production is financially easier. It's a global economy.

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Like most everything else, vehicles will increasingly come from overseas. From places where the manufacturing plants will continue to be powered by coal. Where workers get a living wage and that's about it. Where governments manipulate imports and exports to their own advantage. Places where people still hunger to advance.
Like steel, textiles, and electronics, goods always make their way to where production is financially easier. It's a global economy.

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YES? And who buys this car...?? IT'S NOT AS GLOOMY AS YOU MAKE IT out to be...
You do control the bottom line...
SO, which is it?
What was your decision(where did you chose) to invest ?
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72% would buy an American car - poll.........about time

72% consider buying American cars - poll - Apr. 28, 2009
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Well, I have a different slant on this, maybe. There have been reports that the average UAW worker makes $70 an hour, when you count wages, LIFETIME benefits and so on. Last time I looked at my paycheck, I wasn’t making that much (not even close, actually). If the blue collar guys are making that much, logically, their managers must be making more, probably A LOT more.

So, I gotta ask myself. How many folks do I hang around with that make $140k per year? None that I’m aware of.

Oh yes, keep in mind that YOU, the TAXPAYER, are now paying these peoples’ salaries. The UAW guys and their managers, office workers, designers, executives and so on. It’s not just those “greedy” CEO’s that are overpaid. It is possible that maybe, just perhaps, this company’s business model is just a bit out of date?

There are 5 Fords in my driveway. They’ve been there for years. Take a quick vote; does anybody think that I’m going to buy a GM or Chrysler product just so I can keep a $70 an hour guy employed, especially since I’m already paying his salary thru my taxes?

Sorry to see another American company go by the wayside. But bankruptcy reorganization makes much more sense than MY MONEY propping them up by a moronic government that will only assist them in their ultimate failure.

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The problems we are enduring now are the culmination of over a century of policies and decisions made by people on both sides of the political fence, and both sides of the corporate/labor table. There's blame enough to go around, including on each one of us, for our actions, or lack thereof.
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