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Old 10-11-2006, 04:21 PM   #15
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Froggies, you are a great example of the honest individual wanting to sell their trailer. If only all could be like you. Unfortunately, you're right, it doesn't work to your advantage, but eventually the right buyer will find you. They will realize what you've put into your Argosy and appreciate its worth. And you'll will be able to sleep at night knowing you you've taken the high moral ground. Karma is on the way!

You're right about those sellers that sugarcoat the truth. Its disgusting to the honorable and educated. Another reason why buyers NEED to know what to look for in a used trailer and have an awareness of how to assess pitfalls and repairs.
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Old 10-12-2006, 02:14 PM   #16
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Froggies, I hope the honest approach helps you to find a buyer for your trailer soon. It is better to sleep at night with a clear conscience. As you stated, you are looking for another trailer. You are not in to selling your Argosy for the turn of a fast buck. You have a genuine interest in the trailer and probably care about what happens to it when it is sold. I once had an uncle wanting to buy the 1st Airstream that I ever owned. I would not sell it to him. My reason being, I knew he did not care for anything he owned. That may be crazy, but I had worked too long and to hard to have a nice A/S, just to see it go to an uncaring home and get trashed from misuse and NO care. OMG another soapbox
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Old 10-12-2006, 07:47 PM   #17
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Interesting, Silverhobby. You're right, AS owners do care about their trailers even when selling them. Of course getting a fair market value is important to every seller. High profit seems to be more important to sellers who aren't necessarily the owners that lovingly renovated and cared for the AS. Who buys it is of little meaning other than to make a buck. But if you are the owner that has put time and effort into maintaining one of these beautiful creatures, you want your efforts to be appreciated. I still stay in touch with my TW's PO. He's told me on several occasions how much it means to him that his TW has gone to someone who cares for it and enjoys camping in it. If I ever sell it, I know I'll feel the same way.
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Old 10-12-2006, 09:47 PM   #18
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Since you mentioned MICE. Does anyone have a solution to discourage them? I have read Peppermint Oil or moth balls. Any other?
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Old 10-12-2006, 10:22 PM   #19
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dryer sheets

Bounce dryer sheets scattered around the place are said to discourage mice. I like the electronic repellers you can get at Tractor Supply or elsewhere, but you need one in every room.
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Old 10-14-2006, 10:48 AM   #20
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My very first baby was a 23 ft 1971 Safari, and I still get excited to recognize it here at a local campground. I sold it to the "new" owner 6 years ago, and she is still thrilled with it. She always shows me the newest things she has decorated it inside, etc. It is really nice to know that the Safari has a caring owner.

I have driven past a previous house we outgrew and sold, and we had really, really worked to fix it, and the owner now has the yard and house totally trashed. It is very depressing, and I would not want to see an Airstream treated that way either. But how do you REALLY know when you sell it to a stranger? I guess you got to hope for the best. Most people I think who want a vintage unit are going to care about it.

Thanks for the positive input, I was feeling a little discouraged about describing every detail but know there is no way I could do otherwise!
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:18 AM   #21
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Recently, I have been trying to sell another A/S trailer. I have advertised all of it's shortcomings with full disclosure. I have found that the only thing some people look for are the "pretty curtains, nice upholstery, and floor covering." The operating systems and the chassis are last on their list for some reason. Also, even though I consider my price reasonable, I have had several offers "sight unseen" of about half my asking price. I kindly tell them to find another trailer in similar condition for the money.
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:59 AM   #22
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I researched here and searched for some months before we drove 800 miles for the '87 we bought. Dealer said it was in great condition, absolutely no dents... When we got there, the first thing I noticed were the hail dings on the street side. Depressing. Not too many, not that obvious, until you knew they were there. But the floor plan was perfect for us. Everything but the hot water heating element worked. The price was right. And you know the best part of the deal? I didn't and don't have to worry about putting a ding in the skin! It's already there! Now many people probably couldn't live with a few small dimples from the waist down on their A/S (It was apparently under a shelter, and the hail came in at an angle) but I figure any older A/S is going to have some "problem spots." So why sweat it? The inside was/is pristine, we pulled the rear twins and installed a pillow-top queen, and my wife and I just love it!
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:05 PM   #23
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Recently, I have been trying to sell another A/S trailer. I have advertised all of it's shortcomings with full disclosure. I have found that the only thing some people look for are the "pretty curtains, nice upholstery, and floor covering." The operating systems and the chassis are last on their list for some reason. Also, even though I consider my price reasonable, I have had several offers "sight unseen" of about half my asking price. I kindly tell them to find another trailer in similar condition for the money.

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You're the Honest Seller who is well informed, fully disclosing, and a rarity in today's world. You and I have spoken on the subject of vintage unit pricing and the fact that I believe there are a whole lot of overpriced rigs out there, and as you indicate a number of low-ballers looking for someone to take the bait. I believe in reasonable negotiating, but when someone low balls the price it really is insulting.

The sad part of the scenario you describe is that while you're busy informing the prospective buyer of all the good, not so good, and the occasional "this will need to be fixed" details, most buyers aren't listening. Like you said they're too busy looking at the fluffy stuff instead of the details. Then they get mad later on when they realize that the "so and so" doesn't work, even though you told them that from the beginning.

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Old 07-10-2009, 06:03 PM   #24
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Of course they want the interior to look like a sales brochure! Give it to them!

This is how I sold my 1983 34' Silver Streak:

Several ads (including signature) in several places. I compiled over 110-photos with 5,000-words of description documenting every aspect and square foot of the trailer and sent this out on CD via snail mail. I wanted no "disappointments" from prospective buyers as I live at the end of the road (well, one end of the United States even though Texas continues another 150-miles south).

I had several prospective buyers make roundtrips of over 400-miles each to view the trailer. It sold for the asking price. That it was clean -- with "problems" pointed out -- made the systems repairs and maintenance look all the better. Even the newbies were satisfied that our 210-days on the road in 2007 had made the trailer better (and, a looonng 40+ hours of cleaning a clean trailer at the end).

No matter any anxiety the buyer may have felt as he and I conducted examinations, he always had that CD at home or in the car on the laptop to review. Staging the photos -- good lighting, correct time of day, etc -- was worthwhile. (Short version: remove EVERYTHING. No undercabinet coffeemaker, no toilet paper, no nothin).

As to systems in general, well, I have sold several houses that I was surprised to learn how little buyers cared about electrical, plumbing and HVAC so long as what was present was currently working.
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:12 PM   #25
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We knew nothing about trailers period. One day I decided that we should get a TT to tour America. (see my other post - much longer ) What is important to this post is that we had NO idea what we were looking for or at. Totally lucked out since we did not check any of the working parts, ie, oven, fridge, TV, water system, heater, air, etc, etc.
PO had the A/S manual, plus all the receipts for things done. Our trailer is not very old, a 2005, but I suppose we could have been in for some real trouble. Because we didn't check any of the systems we very well could have bought a lame duck.
Thankfully we found all systems working perfectly (after we figured out how to start/work things).
So far the only biggie was a axle that needed to be replaced, due to any apparent tire blowout.
Not may trips under our belt (4), but are looking forward to many, many more - another starting next Thurs, 7-16-09.
Looking forward to making new A/S friends. Certainly like how friendly all seem, sharing food, adult beverages and campfire.
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:28 PM   #26
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Before I purchased my first Airstream, I researched for years, gained enormous amount of knowledge and then magically my current unit became available.

I gave it a good look over and it had the usual Airstream issues.

I knew it would look great after the remodel. Also the price was within my budget.

It has been a pure pleasure to restore my AS.

I do not know why potential customers expect a unit X years old to be in mint condition for a very low price. Maybe these folks are purchasing their first unit and do not know better, or they are just plain cheap.

Talk is cheap, Airstreams are expensive.
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I do not know why potential customers expect a unit X years old to be in mint condition for a very low price. Maybe these folks are purchasing their first unit and do not know better, or they are just plain cheap.
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Old 07-14-2009, 01:28 AM   #28
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I do not know why potential customers expect a unit X years old to be in mint condition for a very low price. Maybe these folks are purchasing their first unit and do not know better, or they are just plain cheap.

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Hi, this is what they think they are getting because this is how the scammers describe them. "Thirty years old, everything is in perfect working condition, and no scratches or dents anywhere." Or, "2006 Bambi $ 5,800.00"
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