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Old 04-13-2016, 06:25 PM   #99
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CWF - metal container flailed with purpose might be more helpful than holding your breath, but I get your point.

Sparky - it is true that some mental illness results in higher pain tolerance, while other types can result in pain. However, pepper spray does not just induce pain. CA allows 2 oz containers, but I thought the dose was more than 2%. Maybe it's just the bear spray. Have to check that out. Thanks for the heads up.

+++ on paying attention to surroundings and being with good people. Pat
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I understand you're looking into non-lethal alternatives from an ethical standpoint, but also be aware many states have very convoluted laws governing pen knives, bats, clubs, monkey paws, blackjacks, 'pepper spray', mace, batons, tazers, etc....

Michigan is one of those states where you can get in just about as much trouble for having the wrong percentage OC spray, as you can for having an illegal firearm.

With that said, have you considered rubber bullets? I knew a gentleman who loaded his Governor with a non-lethal load in the first chamber, then hollow point in the rest. His rationale being if a good, hard jolt wasn't enough to deter his attacker then he'd need to finish the job.
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Old 04-13-2016, 08:00 PM   #101
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-- snip -- many states have very convoluted laws -- snip -- Michigan is one of those states -- snip -- have you considered rubber bullets? -- snip --
Most of the methods we have discussed are for products available from local sources, but the point that state laws are variable is quite valid and we also have differences between American and Canadian law.

Not interested in rubber bullets. Probably won't investigate a rubber hose either.,

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Old 04-22-2016, 03:29 PM   #102
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Boy have I found the flashlight for us . A police stun gun flashlight made by stun r us. Cost is $ 22.00 on Amazon, and has a 75 million heart stoppin volts. A Stun-gun that is disguised as a flashlight. The flashlight has three modes low, high, and strobe. Comes with a rechargeable battery. The business end is wicked sounding and would scare off most ''bears'' shall we say. Safe travels everyone.
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Update

Here in CA, REI sells the Counter Attack Bear Spray in 8 & 10 OZ containers with a 2% dose.

Still have to check on what pepper spray can be purchased locally.

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I bought two Stun r us flashlights for truck and trailer. Not much impresses me , but I'm really afraid to try it on my finger. Definitely not a toy.
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I bought two Stun r us flashlights for truck and trailer. Not much impresses me , but I'm really afraid to try it on my finger. Definitely not a toy.
How logistically do you store these flashlights? I can imagine that just hanging them beside the door in a holster bears some danger for freak accidents. But in case of an emergency, you would not have to search for them either. This is where I see the main issue. How to get to them when you need 'em?
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"Back in the day", I had 2 "marble sack" filled with 1/2" ball bearings when I rode motorcycles.. Rumor is if you fling the open contents in a rearward direction they bounce up... Oh.. About windshield height.. But that was just told to me...
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That was an optional method to effectively persuade tailgaters to back off. However small gravel was harder to prove it came from me.
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A weapon is a tool, in the right hands it can have awesome results; however, in the wrong hands can be used against you. Take training, then take it it again, then you will need to practice at least monthly. Concealment and security of weapon go hand in hand. There is a Gunsite academy in Paulden, Az, where many from around the country bring their RV, stay at their RV park and take either a one day , three day, or week long course. A weapon is a commitment, knowing what and when to use it, is as important as to owning one. If you have children or guests in your Airstream, please use much caution in the ownership and security of the weapon. Could be a presentation at the next Alumipoloza.
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CWF, Switz - Seems like the type of behavior that promotes road rage and is a miss on the intent of this thread.

Luigi - Lethal weapons are not the intent of this thread. However, your point on training is quite valid as the use of non-lethal force requires skill. Skill requires practice. It is amazing how fast an attacker can move and how much time is lost in an unpracticed fumble.

Thank you for your input. Pat
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How logistically do you store these flashlights? I can imagine that just hanging them beside the door in a holster bears some danger for freak accidents. But in case of an emergency, you would not have to search for them either. This is where I see the main issue. How to get to them when you need 'em?
One goes in the truck's door pocket, the other under the pillow. There's a safety switch on the end to activate the business end. It comes with a belt holster for day time carrying. Treat this flashlight with respect. No thief, or rapeist would suspect a flashlight could do so much harm... thus the element of surprise.
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I bought two Stun r us flashlights for truck and trailer. Not much impresses me , but I'm really afraid to try it on my finger. Definitely not a toy.
Read this on the net, and keeping you informed. Stun guns are illegal in the states Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin. And the following cities / counties Annapolis MD, Baltimore MD, Crawford County ID, Washington D.C., Philadelphia Pa. It's getting harder to legally protect ourselves in these states. Be safe out there
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I just ordered 2 of these stun gun/flashlights....think they may come in handy on camping trips! Just wondering how you guys who already own them will rate them...are they as good as you expected?
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