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Old 03-29-2016, 10:06 PM   #29
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Articfox, Does oven cleaner damage the eyes. Thinking lawsuit if damage is permanent. Have not seen a adjustable nozzle yet.
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Old 03-29-2016, 10:13 PM   #30
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Non-lethal force

I'm actually not sure. I would think it might not be very good for them. That said, it does a lot less damage than a bullet. My guess it would be very similar to pepper sray, but I'm not sure.




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Old 03-29-2016, 10:43 PM   #31
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Easy-off is a Flammable aerosol that may be corrosive to metals.
Causes severe skin burns and eye damage. First aid requires a quick flushing with water.

Does not seem to be a primary plan, but if cleaning oven when the bear comes in - ????

OC Pepper spray is reported to not work on bears. A large quantity container of bear spray with a long distance spray capability that lasts 5-7 seconds appears to be a good bear deterrent. Caution, a bear spray can serve as an attractant. If not cleaned up after use, bears may destroy the surface on which it was sprayed. Pat
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Old 03-29-2016, 11:00 PM   #32
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Okay, okay, so going mano-mano with a bear, or your wife, with a cattle prod is just too close quarter for you.......how about this for non-lethal force......could be a little clumbersome in the trailer.

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Old 03-29-2016, 11:17 PM   #33
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I just want to say this....there are 169,000 miles on this Interstate, the last 23,000 of which I have put on by myself.

It has spent at least one overnight in all of the lower 48 states in the past 9 years of ownership.

Prior to the Interstate, we put 20,000 or so miles on a 77 Barth.

Never one time were we, or I, in a situation where we were even concerned about our physical safety from another person, much less had to defend ourselves.

Now, a bear in the wilds, that could be more of a possibility.


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Maggie, I am with you on this one. Comparing a gun to a tire jack in my mind is just wrong wrong wrong. The core of the problem is in the heads of many people. Comparing things to a lottery in my mind has no logic - if someone surprises me it does not matter if I have a bottle of bear spray or a gun because these items will be stored away from kid's hands (and hopefully out of their sight and minds). The result is that the weapons will not be effective in case of surprise. The danger however comes from taking out the spray or the gun and from "posing" with the items, perhaps after a drink to so... or perhaps after arguing with someone... This is the true danger. Of course, nobody here would do these kind of things...
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Old 03-29-2016, 11:34 PM   #34
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Old 03-29-2016, 11:52 PM   #35
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As long as I'm in my home state, I would have no qualms about using oven cleaner or wasp spray in self defense even knowing that it could permanently blind a human assailant. Louisiana has a rather permissive legal structure with regard to self defense, including the right to protect yourself inside a motor vehicleó which my Airstream Interstate happens to beó as if it was your home.

But as soon as I cross into another state, I'd be a lot more circumspect, because there are some asinine states out there where victims are supposed to understand that they ARE victims and not fight back lest they face civil and/or criminal liability for injuring their assailant.

That said, I do also carry bear spray in my Interstate for defense against four-footed assailants, but thankfully never had to use it (yet) aside from sacrificing one canister to test it out against a tree stump just to see for myself what kind of range, duration, and accuracy the spray actually had.
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Old 03-30-2016, 04:09 AM   #36
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Bold, I've heard the cliche ''I love them to death'', but never witness it at work Let Karma do the dirty work. Karma shows no mercy. I've seen it work...I'm sure we all have. Bad things seem to happen to bad people...so be good everyone. And the ones that escape Karma, they will be dealt with in the afterlife.
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Old 03-30-2016, 04:16 AM   #37
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. . . how about this for non-lethal force......could be a little clumbersome in the trailer.
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Spudnik?

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Old 03-30-2016, 05:44 AM   #38
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Maggie, I am with you on this one. Comparing a gun to a tire jack in my mind is just wrong wrong wrong. The core of the problem is in the heads of many people. Comparing things to a lottery in my mind has no logic - if someone surprises me it does not matter if I have a bottle of bear spray or a gun because these items will be stored away from kid's hands (and hopefully out of their sight and minds). The result is that the weapons will not be effective in case of surprise. The danger however comes from taking out the spray or the gun and from "posing" with the items, perhaps after a drink to so... or perhaps after arguing with someone... This is the true danger. Of course, nobody here would do these kind of things...
In my opinion....these threads whip up and promote a perception....foisted onto newbies... that danger lurks everywhere....danger as we travel, from which we must be prepared to defend ourselves at any moment, by whatever means legal and effective.

Then we hear from those who are afraid to shop at or stay in Walmart and other places/areas people unlike them frequent, because they are uncomfortable with the way the people there....lower income and ethnically diverse people ....look, dress, act, the language they speak, etc.

I don't believe that holding and nurturing irrational fears of those who are not like us helps improve anyone's quality of life....nor the quality of travel around this country, where people look, act and live differently.

Isn't that what we're doing....traveling? And isn't the goal to enjoy that travel.....to explore and embrace this beautiful and diverse country....rather than be suspicious of the natives, hyper-vigilant and ready to defend?

Being aware of ones surroundings, taking reasonable precautions, seems to get most of us through our extended travels all over this country.

No, I am not anti gun. Doug always carried at least one, and never once had to use it...or even threaten to.


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Old 03-30-2016, 05:47 AM   #39
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The concern one should have is not necessarily in campgrounds, it's rest stops and gas stations or if one breaks down on the side of the road. We have auto, Airstream and home owners insurance, medical insurance, we have fire extinguishers, we have spare tires for TV and AS and we have personal protection. Look up the laws for each state one travels to in the Attorney Generals sections. Every state is different with respect to what one can do, what one can use etc. Even down to the difference between a travel trailer and a motorhome, as with respect to firearms in many states there is a significant difference.

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Spudnik?

My apologise's, as I didn't realize this simple but effective deterent could be construed as a Communist weapon of starchy destruction.

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Old 03-30-2016, 06:22 AM   #41
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I guess it boils down to perspective. For me being single, I'm at peace with myself should anything happen, and carry a rubber band for my index finger. If I add a loved one, then the dynamics change and maybe a S&W 45 . Kids.... I would have a m-4 with a 100 round barrel clip per child, or a ''Grandfathered'' street sweeper for Canada. Single people have less to lose compared to families with kids. ''Bears'' prey on easy targets...single people vs a crowd. Just be alert everyone, and always listen to your gut. You can't enjoy life if your living in fear.
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Old 03-30-2016, 09:25 AM   #42
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I went out to a outdoor shooting range with my brother in law and his son about a month ago. I had expressed an interest in purchasing a firearm for personal protection. I was able to shoot their 22 revolver, 22 rifle and several semi auto handguns and rifles. I was able to hit the targets mostly. The experience was good but it didn't generate enough interest to bother with going through research and a purchase decision, background checks, familiarizing oneself with local/state/federal laws, maintenance and proper storage, and regular shooting practice. I'm not sure I would be able to use it in an adverse situation. I guess I don't think things are bad enough yet but I'm keeping an open mind.

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