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Old 03-29-2016, 06:52 PM   #15
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I agree on the bright LED flashlight, especially if it is built heavy and solid enough to use as a club if necessary. Most of the sheriffs deputy's I knew growing up carried a 5 D-cell Maglight. As effective as a standard baton in a pinch, and very effective illumination for use of other tools.


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Nothing can replace common sense to keep yourself out of trouble, but sometimes a gentle persuader is needed.......especially for your teenager in the morning.

Firearms and sprays tend to do more damage to their owners than any threat out there.

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I also carry in my Bambi and SUV.....a loud marine air horn,taser, bear mace, and "little friends". Never needed to use any...hope never need to employ any of them. I am years away from being athletic and since I can no longer outrun.....anything.....I feel safer with some measure of protection...just in case.

The world is full of good people....it's the creeps who will and do prey on the weak and the elderly....that should concern us all. I do pick my surroundings carefully. I will not go shopping...or even drive in a risky area...at home, I know where they are......traveling....not so much. The is the reason I do take protection. If I can help it... I will ever best victim! I travel to enjoy life...and not worry. I don't worry.
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Old 03-29-2016, 07:42 PM   #18
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I have lived and worked in countries that are considered to be somewhat more dangerous than even the more sketchy places one finds in the US. Not once did I find myself in a situation where gun ownership would have given me an advantage.

There's fairly solid data around that in a high stress situation even those trained in firearm use, i.e law enforcement and armed forces, miss more often than they hit. The numbers are far worse for civilians.

I have never understood the American obsession with gun ownership, given the dreadful statistics it creates.
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Have acquired several 1000/1200 lumen flashlights that light the area of travel quite well and probably have some deterrent value against threats when focused. Certain going to 3K would be considerably more helpful on both counts. Do you suppose bears don't like a bright light? Unfortunately, bright lights have less deterrent value in the daytime.

A loud alarm is something to consider. Boaters suggest the use of an air horn, but a key chain would be more convenient. At what db is sound a deterrent? A 120db sound seems like it should be effective, but may be as much a hazard to the user as the target, except for the surprise factor.

Interesting comment about bear spray not being legal to use in a self defense mode. Will have to research that a bit. Had assumed bear spray was a properly designed pepper spray. That's the problem with assuming, but learning is the driver for this thread.

Did hear that using wasp spray was a possibility, but have not seen any information on how well it works. I think of it in lethal terms for the wasp and translate that capability to assume a toxicity to humans. Is it more or less toxic than bear spray?

Maggie - after learning that Fishing Bridge was the stomping grounds for Griz, we were a bit on edge, but had no experiences that raised that concern. Then we stopped at a site in Montana and I just about threw trash on top of a bear cub with his mother watching. Kind of reinforced the concept that being aware of the surroundings was an important part of the solution. In a campground on the East coast we saw another bear. Most folks go looking for them. We don't and still ran across the furry little beasts. So while we have never been accosted, there is a concern.

Paula - my sincere condolences. Your experience certainly proves the power of action.

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Just carry "Easy-off" it will spray about 12-15' and once in the eyes of your visitor, he or she will not be going anywhere. As important, you can cross any international boarder you wish with Easy-off and it's a non issue.


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A bright flashlight is a great deterrence.

As far as any Canadians who don't understand Americans "obsession" with the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, if you stay in Canada you don't have to worry yourself about this, or the half of the statistics that you like to make mention of.


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Did hear that using wasp spray was a possibility, but have not seen any information on how well it works. I think of it in lethal terms for the wasp and translate that capability to assume a toxicity to humans. Is it more or less toxic than bear spray...

Pat - Every LEO expert I know, including a nationally-recognized trainer on OC spray, has indicated wasp spray is completely ineffective as a less than lethal self-defense option.

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Thanks Rich - so noted - lots of misconceptions get passed along on the internet. Good to correct them when possible. Pat
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Just carry "Easy-off" it will spray about 12-15' and once in the eyes of your visitor, he or she will not be going anywhere. As important, you can cross any international boarder you wish with Easy-off and it's a non issue.


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Articfox, Are you implying the oven cleaner? If so, how do you make it spray 12- 15'? I hope I'm not telling on myself, knowing the 6'' spray pattern on oven cleaner The knife key is worth looking into for $2.00. What's another key to the wad? By the way, I love the picture of you and your wife around the campfire...a classic...................... Another Idea, a balanced walking stick made out of hickory for hiking of course. A billy club inside the trailer?
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[QUOTE=rmkrum;1769307]I agree on the bright LED flashlight, especially if it is built heavy and solid enough to use as a club if necessary. Most of the sheriffs deputy's I knew growing up carried a 5 D-cell Maglight. As effective as a standard baton in a pinch, and very effective illumination for use of other tools. :Quote]

Costco sells a 1200 Lumen Duracell LED flashlight for less than $20. About the right size to hand. It is a (4) C-cell unit, so not as heavy as a big Mag light. Have only one of those left and it did not make the last trip. Pat
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-- snip -- sometimes a gentle persuader is needed -- snip -- Tony
We had a relative who manufactured and sold a training device for race horses. Made for a lot of practical jokes over time. Glad to have only been party to the stories and not the events. Would have to get to close to the bear to be practical. Pat
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Would have to get to close to the bear to be practical. Pat
Bear is being used as a metaphor...right?
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Articfox, Are you implying the oven cleaner? If so, how do you make it spray 12- 15'? I hope I'm not telling on myself, knowing the 6'' spray pattern on oven cleaner The knife key is worth looking into for $2.00. What's another key to the wad? By the way, I love the picture of you and your wife around the campfire...a classic...................... Another Idea, a balanced walking stick made out of hickory for hiking of course. A billy club inside the trailer?

Yes the oven cleaner. The spray bottle it comes in has an adjustment on the nozzle that you can set to fan spray or shoot in a stream. The stream spray setting shoots it a long way.
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