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Old 12-08-2006, 04:37 PM   #15
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I listened to a biodiesel demo at our local FAIR this fall. One thing they stressed was that biodiesel has MORE lubrication than regular diesel. The word CANOLA OIL...AND MCDONALDS uses CANOLA came into the conversation a LOT. This biodiesel group is a bunch of lacal farmers who currently produce about 5,000 gals of bio a month for their consumption. PRICE???...they seem to think is not much cheaper. I could not get a good fix on what they determined was the price per gallon...JUST compeditive. NOW.....I ask the local Chevron distributor about the new gov fuel regs and the new soot cleaners on the diesels after jan 1st. HE told me biodiesel is a NO NO for the new engines at this time. ITS too much of an unknown as to how bio will effect the soot collectors????
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Old 12-08-2006, 04:54 PM   #16
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Over the past few days I read an article about a diesel refinery located in Washington State that recycles landfill plastics into high quality, low sulfur diesel for approximately $.52 per gallon.
Yea, that's pretty cool and all, but after fed, state, county and municipal dirt bags get at it, the cost goes up to nearly $2 or more per gallon........though cheaper than the nearly $3 or more folks pay now. Seems that with every gallon we buy, a fair amount of that per gallon price goes to taxing bodies.

I'm all for doing our part, but the current taxes we pay, not only for gas are a total disgrace. At times it almost is like trying to get blood out of a turnip.
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Old 12-08-2006, 05:23 PM   #17
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I listened to a biodiesel demo at our local FAIR this fall. One thing they stressed was that biodiesel has MORE lubrication than regular diesel. The word CANOLA OIL...AND MCDONALDS uses CANOLA came into the conversation a LOT. This biodiesel group is a bunch of lacal farmers who currently produce about 5,000 gals of bio a month for their consumption. PRICE???...they seem to think is not much cheaper. I could not get a good fix on what they determined was the price per gallon...JUST compeditive. NOW.....I ask the local Chevron distributor about the new gov fuel regs and the new soot cleaners on the diesels after jan 1st. HE told me biodiesel is a NO NO for the new engines at this time. ITS too much of an unknown as to how bio will effect the soot collectors????
Thing about it is, the biggest pollutant issue is the sulfur, which is not an issue with B100 (and essentially insignificant in B99 for obvious reasons.)
If they can produce the empirical proof that biodiesel is even remotely as harmful as even ULSD is now in terms of particulate pollution, then I will be surprised. We may never know though, because of the politics and the players in the game serve to keep things muddles and confused.

I'm not entirely convinced, either that ULSD is not actually harmful to the older diesels. I can't imagine it being all that great for them. I'd even go so far as to say that there's some inclination to push everyone kicking and screaming into the "clean diesel" market by effectively accelerating the demise of the older ones in this fashion. I admit that may smack a bit of conspiracy theorem, but it sure would solve Big Oil's dilemma about what to do about the growing biodiesel industry. Personally, I'd much rather run BD and have some bona fide lubricity in my fuel than have to trust fuel additives developed by (who else) oil companies.

I'll just keep on driving my '02 Duramax, and my '06 Jetta and splash blending the BD until they figure out what's what. Truck's got less than 65k, car about 25k.

I got time.
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Thing about it is, the biggest pollutant issue is the sulfur, which is not an issue with B100 (and essentially insignificant in B99 for obvious reasons.)
If they can produce the empirical proof that biodiesel is even remotely as harmful as even ULSD is now in terms of particulate pollution, then I will be surprised. We may never know though, because of the politics and the players in the game serve to keep things muddles and confused.

I'm not entirely convinced, either that ULSD is not actually harmful to the older diesels. I can't imagine it being all that great for them. I'd even go so far as to say that there's some inclination to push everyone kicking and screaming into the "clean diesel" market by effectively accelerating the demise of the older ones in this fashion. I admit that may smack a bit of conspiracy theorem, but it sure would solve Big Oil's dilemma about what to do about the growing biodiesel industry. Personally, I'd much rather run BD and have some bona fide lubricity in my fuel than have to trust fuel additives developed by (who else) oil companies.

I'll just keep on driving my '02 Duramax, and my '06 Jetta and splash blending the BD until they figure out what's what. Truck's got less than 65k, car about 25k.

I got time.
I'm not an expert, but I'm not sure everyone's talking about the same thing.
"Biodiesel" for instance. B100, B20, B5? that is 100% concentrations, 20% or 5%. Home-brewed, or commercial? What kind of ambient temperatures?
My understanding is that all of those questions affect the suitability for a given engine/task.
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