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Old 04-16-2007, 08:55 AM   #1
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New canoe?

Does anyone have an opinion on good family canoe for 4? (2 adults, 1 6y old, one black lab)
I am an experienced paddler, currently have 4 kayaks, but with the addition of the puppy, we will need more capacity so I am thinking canoes! I grew up in Scouting and have always had some type of craft to paddle. We will be doing mostly day trips on slow rivers and exploring on lakes/ponds. Would like something not too heavy as I carry it up on the roof when towing, comfortable, and fairly stable.
Have been looking at Old Town Penobscot 17…any comments/suggestions?
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Bill: Seein as you already kayak check out Chesapeake Light Crafts triple! clcboats.com. They build fairly quick, all parts included, first cabin quality. Real pretty line of small craft. Here's a pic of a 14 I an currently constructing. Or maybe their Millcreek 16.5.
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:36 AM   #3
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Thanx DG, nice boats...
we already have 2 tandems ("triples" really) that fit 3 of us fine. But with the dog too...no way.
I can haul 2 tandems that will fit all 4 of us, but I would rather carry just 1 boat, that's why I am thinking canoes, all 4 of us can fit in 1 boat.
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Bill: Seein as you already kayak check out Chesapeake Light Crafts triple! clcboats.com. They build fairly quick, all parts included, first cabin quality. Real pretty line of small craft. Here's a pic of a 14 I an currently constructing. Or maybe their Millcreek 16.5.
Years ago I built a DK 14 Tortured Wood Kayak from an article in Wooden Boat, it was fun and cheap.

What I really want to know what is that hanging on the wall? I think I saw that same machine on myth busters, does it fly or not?

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Hello Bill -- I've got an old 17' Grumman aluminum (currently unlicensed -- looking to polish it some day!), a 42 pound 18' Wenonah kevlar two-person and two solo tortured plywood kayaks. We do mostly lake canoing and want good tracking ability. Our Wenonah is a straight bottomed laker -- hull shape and fragile material make it unsuitable for small rivers. I have to rig it quite far forward on my tow vehicle to keep it away from my Airstream and have safed it by rigging a wide-gate carabiner between my Yakima bar and the carrying yoke.

Friends have a Penobscot and there's a bit of rocker -- good for rivers but they zig-zag all over flat water. Royalex is heavy of course but indestructable around rocks. I am thinking of a 3rd canoe (Royalex) for out west travels because I really, really enjoy river running. We've rented Royalex canoes when doing whitewater.

I've seen Boundary Waters outfitters with Minnesota 3's and 4's for rent (see Wenonah Canoe - canoes and information for paddle sports enthusiasts. under specialty canoes). They are lo-o-ong boats and only a little more maneuverable than a trireme. A 3rd seat in any mfgr's line you might find is nice but you have to balance that against how long you'll really be using it. We've jury rigged backrests for guests on the bottom of our canoes at times and it's not comfortable for an extended period. We found some almost legless lawn chairs for camping/soccer games that work for a passenger but not for paddling from -- and kids don't want to just be a passenger. You want your up-and-comer to go along with his/her parents' idea of fun... Our two (now grown) kids always complained about being taken along canoing or x-c skiing -- and guess what they now like to do most of all! Keep the faith!!
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Years ago I built a DK 14 Tortured Wood Kayak from an article in Wooden Boat, it was fun and cheap.

What I really want to know what is that hanging on the wall? I think I saw that same machine on myth busters, does it fly or not?

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Hello Bill -- I've got an old 17' Grumman aluminum (currently unlicensed -- looking to polish it some day!), a 42 pound 18' Wenonah kevlar two-person and two solo tortured plywood kayaks. We do mostly lake canoing and want good tracking ability. Our Wenonah is a straight bottomed laker -- hull shape and fragile material make it unsuitable for small rivers. I have to rig it quite far forward on my tow vehicle to keep it away from my Airstream and have safed it by rigging a wide-gate carabiner between my Yakima bar and the carrying yoke.

Friends have a Penobscot and there's a bit of rocker -- good for rivers but they zig-zag all over flat water. Royalex is heavy of course but indestructable around rocks. I am thinking of a 3rd canoe (Royalex) for out west travels because I really, really enjoy river running. We've rented Royalex canoes when doing whitewater.

I've seen Boundary Waters outfitters with Minnesota 3's and 4's for rent (see Wenonah Canoe - canoes and information for paddle sports enthusiasts. under specialty canoes). They are lo-o-ong boats and only a little more maneuverable than a trireme. A 3rd seat in any mfgr's line you might find is nice but you have to balance that against how long you'll really be using it. We've jury rigged backrests for guests on the bottom of our canoes at times and it's not comfortable for an extended period. We found some almost legless lawn chairs for camping/soccer games that work for a passenger but not for paddling from -- and kids don't want to just be a passenger. You want your up-and-comer to go along with his/her parents' idea of fun... Our two (now grown) kids always complained about being taken along canoing or x-c skiing -- and guess what they now like to do most of all! Keep the faith!!
Thanx Bob, the OT website describes it as "modified" rocker-good for lake or river...but it is better to hear first hand. Thank you.

I know plastic boats are heavier than their wooden counterparts, but I thought Royalex was one of the lighter ones?
It is lightest 17' plastic boat in the OT line...

I had an old Grumman 17, (the "Tank") but gave it away a few years ago...it was very heavy to get up on the truck.

We will probably do the lawn chair thing, or get on of the snap in after market seats for the middle so my Son can paddle also.
I agree, teach you children the finer things in life; hiking, camping, paddling, etc and most likely they will follow...

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Check out the Apalachian. It has all the capacity you are looking for and a nice beam for extra stability. Built really well. We have loaded ours up and never had any problems and it can hand white water well. A little pricey but look what you are putting in it. A really great canoe that the two of us can up and dwn from the Tahoe easily.
Appalachian - Capable of handling Class III whitewater, the Appalachian is as practical for running rapids as it is carrying the family out for a day. With a carrying capacity of 1,075 pounds, you can carry plenty of gear and supplies, and the 16' length and 35" width provide stability. These canoes have excellent maneuverability in rapids and flared ends for dryness and buoyancy. Easily handled by one or two people, the Appalachian has vinyl gunwales, polyethylene decks, nylon web seats, grab loops and ash yokes and thwarts.
Weight: 67 lbs.,
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I think you should look for another 17' Grumman.

All this talk about plastic and plywood and fiberglass is making me crazy!

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Check out the Apalachian. It has all the capacity you are looking for and a nice beam for extra stability. Built really well. We have loaded ours up and never had any problems and it can hand white water well. A little pricey but look what you are putting in it. A really great canoe that the two of us can up and dwn from the Tahoe easily.
Appalachian - Capable of handling Class III whitewater, the Appalachian is as practical for running rapids as it is carrying the family out for a day. With a carrying capacity of 1,075 pounds, you can carry plenty of gear and supplies, and the 16' length and 35" width provide stability. These canoes have excellent maneuverability in rapids and flared ends for dryness and buoyancy. Easily handled by one or two people, the Appalachian has vinyl gunwales, polyethylene decks, nylon web seats, grab loops and ash yokes and thwarts.
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Hmmmm, the Appalachian looks VERY similar to the Penobscot. Decisions, decisions…

Those Wenonahs look nice too. You are right; looooooooooong boats! But very nice. Due to length I would think they are better suited to strictly lake paddling. We are kind of looking for a more all-around family boat.
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We have used ours for everything. With the wider beam it is very nice out on the lake and we have white watered it too. Also with the higher bow and stern when the wind picks up the water we find this canoe to be a bit drier than most. Also, Cabelas ussually has them in stock in the PA store and that is always a great road trip. There is a campground very close by, just don't remember the name but could look it up if you are interested.
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as long as we're on the subject of "canoes"...

I have an old "Great Canadian" fiberglass canoe that I inherited from my old man...its looking kinda rough. dull, chalky, oxidized finish. How can I spruce it up? paint? compound? not sure how to deal w/ fiberglass...
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we've have a member here...

royce,

who builds canoes.

http://www.spearfishcreek.com/

these are sweet.

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I’m a little like you only in reverse I canoed for years before switching to kayak’s. The best all around canoe is the Old town Discovery 169 it is a river canoe and will take anything thrown at it and river carnage is minimal. It is also stable enough for your four legged friend to dive over board.

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