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Old 04-16-2007, 12:32 PM   #15
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as long as we're on the subject of "canoes"...

I have an old "Great Canadian" fiberglass canoe that I inherited from my old man...its looking kinda rough. dull, chalky, oxidized finish. How can I spruce it up? paint? compound? not sure how to deal w/ fiberglass...
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Were you desribing the canoe of yourself? If the surface is intact without any fibers hanging out, I would go after it with a polishing compound first and then a good car wax.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:40 PM   #16
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Let me add; there is a Penobscot 17 for sale near by. The folks claim they have used it 4 times (I doubt it) it looks brand new, paddles are not even scratched.
The boat, with 4 beavertail paddles, cane seat w/backs, flotation bags, Kevlar keel kit, the whole nine yards; $500…(this is ~ $2200 worth of gear)?
Having said that, I still want to get the right boat...
What say to this?
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:01 PM   #17
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Let me add; there is a Penobscot 17 for sale near by. The folks claim they have used it 4 times (I doubt it) it looks brand new, paddles are not even scratched.
The boat, with 4 beavertail paddles, cane seat w/backs, flotation bags, Kevlar keel kit, the whole nine yards; $500…(this is ~ $2200 worth of gear)?
Having said that, I still want to get the right boat...
What say to this?
If I were closer, I'd buy it out from under you!!
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:28 PM   #18
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Aluminum for Family on Land or Sea

Bill:

There are a lot of choices in canoes but for our family of 4 + dog, the Grunman/Marathon 18' aluminum canoe was the durable stable choice (and looks great next to the land yacht. At only 72lbs the big cost difference for a kevlar carbon fiber etc model that weighs 4-5 pounds less is not worth it to me. It is not sexy or high tech but it will hold a whopping 845 pounds and even an 5 hp outrigger for big lake travel. You can normally pick up a well cared for used Grunman on craigs list etc for a very reasonable price (they last as long as an Airstream if not longer).

http://http://www.marathonboat.com/canoes.htm

Here in Chicago the world renowned Mr. Canoe Ralph Frese can help you match up your needs with the perfect boat:

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Old 04-16-2007, 01:35 PM   #19
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Let me add; there is a Penobscot 17 for sale near by. The folks claim they have used it 4 times (I doubt it) it looks brand new, paddles are not even scratched.
The boat, with 4 beavertail paddles, cane seat w/backs, flotation bags, Kevlar keel kit, the whole nine yards; $500…(this is ~ $2200 worth of gear)?
Having said that, I still want to get the right boat...
What say to this?
ENLARGEPenobscot 17PHOTOS 1, 2
Penobscot 16Penobscot 17 Length16' 2" / 4.9 m17' 1" / 5.2 m Width34" / 86.4 cm35" / 88.9 cm Width at 4" Waterline33" / 83.8 cm33.75" / 85.7 cm Bow Height21" / 53.3 cm21.25" / 54.0 cm Depth13.75" / 35.0 cm14.5" / 36.8 cm Weight58 lbs. / 26.3 kg65 lbs. / 29.4 kg Capacity1,100 lbs. / 498.9 kg1,170 lbs. / 530.7 kg Suggested Retail$1,259.00 US
$1,449.00 CAN $1,559.00 US
$1,799.00 CAN
(wood outfitting)
$1,339.00 US
$1,549.00 CAN $1,639.00 US
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What are you waiting for? I would grab it and I don't even need it!
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:38 PM   #20
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I know that materials for canoes are a personal preference, and opinions are strong one way or another.

Even as good a deal as the above canoe seems to be, if it were Kevlar, I would not be interested. I participated in a group canoe trip down the Colorado and teamed up with a friend of mine in his brand new Kevlar boat. Nice boat, light but FRAGILE. It got bumped VERY lightly on a rock as he was getting out and made a small puncture hole. We spent so much time being careful not to damage it that it detracted from the trip. I wasn't impressed with Kevlar and would not personally buy one. FWIW.
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Old 04-16-2007, 02:00 PM   #21
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Does anyone have an opinion on good family canoe for 4? (2 adults, 1 6y old, one black lab)
I am an experienced paddler, currently have 4 kayaks, but with the addition of the puppy, we will need more capacity so I am thinking canoes! I grew up in Scouting and have always had some type of craft to paddle. We will be doing mostly day trips on slow rivers and exploring on lakes/ponds. Would like something not too heavy as I carry it up on the roof when towing, comfortable, and fairly stable.
Have been looking at Old Town Penobscot 17…any comments/suggestions?
Canoestream, I am guessing this is your (other) passion!

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Hi Bill; Nothing beats "Scott" in kevlar. Superb selection. Very light and tough, including wider widths and greater capacities. Thanks "Boatdoc"
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Canu canoe?

Hi Bill,
A good condition 17’ Oldtown and gear for $500 sounds like it should be a good deal.
Canoeing was my first love, way before Airstreams and Jeeps. First Scouting merit badge.

I have several Oldtowns, Chestnuts, Mad River, Grummans made of wood, wood/canvas, Rolex, aluminum. $50-3000. I prefer a 1930’s 15’ wood/canvas for flat water with 2 people. But you’ll do maintenance on wood canoes. It’s a love thing.

For family and camping gear/dog 17 footers work great.

They’re right the Penobscot will do double duty on rivers and lakes, not the best flat water tracking but if you’re out for family fun and not trekking that’s what the stern paddler is for….J stoke rudder it. The Appalachian is nice. I have a 15’ Camper, great for solo or 2.

You can bounce Oldtown Roylex canoes off rocks and shoals and get LOTS of years of general family use/abuse out of them. $500 well spent. They take a snow load nicely if left outside. Never met a Grumman aluminum I couldn’t patch and float.

Personally, I’d be buying the Oldtown…trying it out…then if it’s not a perfect fit, pass it forward, Craig’s List it for what you paid and invest in another (or keep them ALL).

Enjoy and teach your child the joy of paddling and the bliss of knowing the difference between sound and noise.

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Old 04-16-2007, 07:12 PM   #23
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Got it!

OK-I scored the Old Town Penobscot; pretty boat with the cane seats, ash thwarts, etc.
I find it hard to believe they used it more than once or twice. Barely a mark on it.

It's home and in the garage...what is the best way to store boats? Upside down or upright?
I have heard different opinions on this...

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Congrats Bill! It is easy to rig the canoe to hang upside down -- multiple ways the gunwales will sit stable for you. It's also easier to get dust off the outside than inside. You must always transport the canoe in this attitude anyway. It's easy to move from the garage to truck top if you have portage pads. I can provide pics of my storage solution in a couple days -- I'm sure you'll get more. Glad y'all are going to get on the water this spring!

Confession time -- on my first examination of Airstreams in the early 90s I was trying to figure how to transport a canoe on top of one. That would make A/C replacement and solar panel installations seem easy!
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Congrats Bill! It is easy to rig the canoe to hang upside down -- multiple ways the gunwales will sit stable for you. It's also easier to get dust off the outside than inside. You must always transport the canoe in this attitude anyway. It's easy to move from the garage to truck top if you have portage pads. I can provide pics of my storage solution in a couple days -- I'm sure you'll get more. Glad y'all are going to get on the water this spring!

Confession time -- on my first examination of Airstreams in the early 90s I was trying to figure how to transport a canoe on top of one. That would make A/C replacement and solar panel installations seem easy!
Hi Bob, my situation(garage) is better suited to storing down low. It is getting a little crowded; 4 kayaks and now a 17' canoe. The rafters are already full, and the kayaks are smaller/lighter to hang up. I was thinking some type of cradle?
Again, I guess upside down is best?
Structuraly, is this best for kayaks and canoes? Someone once told me the gunnels are the strongest and the hull (floor) the weaker point, so it is best to transport in this fashion (they were talking kayaks). I was skeptical, because none of the car racks are built like this! Canoe racks are though...

Any pix would still be appreciated...

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Hey doorgunner! I am curious about the ducted fan set-up too, and the camouflage thing behind the kayak! What the heck is that???

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There is no good canoe for four.

Once you get an handle on that, a 17' Grumman should suit you just fine as long as the three and four stay the same size and welght. Then you will need to do something else.

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Hi Bob, my situation(garage) is better suited to storing down low. It is getting a little crowded; 4 kayaks and now a 17' canoe. The rafters are already full, and the kayaks are smaller/lighter to hang up. I was thinking some type of cradle?
Again, I guess upside down is best?
Structuraly, is this best for kayaks and canoes? Someone once told me the gunnels are the strongest and the hull (floor) the weaker point, so it is best to transport in this fashion (they were talking kayaks). I was skeptical, because none of the car racks are built like this! Canoe racks are though...

Any pix would still be appreciated...

Bill
My kayak dealer said that a kayak should be suspended on it's side. I have a sit-on-top, and that advice may be specific for those. I don't know if the same holds true for sit-ins. Side storage is great for utilizing space.
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