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Old 12-05-2017, 09:09 AM   #43
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:20 AM   #44
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Grand Teton National Park comes to mind. I think most people see it as a gem in the NP System. even locals who benefit greatly from tourism, not always so. Initially it was vigorously opposed by locals including ranchers, after all Yellowstone is right up the road. John Rockefeller secretly bought up the majority of land to preserve it and then tried to donate it to the federal government (which initially would not take it) Even the locals now are glad it is a park.

There was a proposal to dam the Grand Canyon. Hech Hetchy, which many have said was comparable to Yosemite Valley was dammed and lost forever. There was a proposal to dam Yosemite. Glen Canyon's canyons and rock formations are also now below hundreds of feet of water. I am sure glad I had the chance to see Yosemite and Grand Canyon. It is my loss to never be able to see Hech Hetchy or Glen Canyon. It makes me sad they are lost forever and no one else will see them either.

I heard a statement on the news last night I hope is not true. The land in Grand Staircase and Bear's Ears will be sold to private interests, not managed by the state.

Attached are a couple of photos from Grand Staircase. By the way ranchers are allowed to graze their cattle within the monument.
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We are not talking about national parks, this is about monuments which dontneed hundreds of tnousands of acres.
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I suspect the Native American populations, whose ancestral grounds and ruins these monuments preserve from development, may differ with you on that, Jim.

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Many current national parks began as monuments, Death Valley and i believe all current Utah National Parks, the Grand Canyon 800,000 acres, Katmai originally over 1,000,000 acres now almost 2,800,000 acres.

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Living in Washington state and remote from the lands and people affected, I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t know enough of the details regarding the designation, and now the rollback of these National Monument lands. So I appreciate the discussion regarding the merits both ways. I know where my inclination is (to protect the lands) so it’s all too easy to get tunnel vision. The more I learn, the better informed I am on these decisions. Thanks to those that have contributed their thoughts.
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Yes, this is a complicated, important issue, and now, from this point on, far-reaching in all the various ways and means by which it will play out. None of us should rush to judge good or bad. There will be plenty of opportunity to do that in the coming months and years.

I would say that anyone who spends time in either of these special places will come away enriched and refreshed in many ways.

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No offense meant, but I can, and will, take a side on this and other emergent issues in this country.

We’re not being consulted, nor are our elected officials, but having things like this unilaterally reversed via Executive Order.

The process was flawed, in my opinion, and I believe a more democratic approach would have led to a different outcome.

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What is done by executive order can be undone by executive order. The intial formation of the very large monument was done, according to statute, by executive order,
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I know that, but how much damage will first be done.

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We are not talking about national parks, this is about monuments which dontneed hundreds of tnousands of acres.
It is a fact that there has been a national review of National Monuments and their place and value in our society.

National Monuments can be but are not necessarily brick and mortar. The category was created by Teddy Roosevelt in 1906 under the Antiquities Act. The Antiquities Act defines a National Monument as having historic or scientific value. It places special emphasis on the preservation of Native American archaeological sites which were being destroyed by pot hunters.

As mentioned above many National Monuments went on to become National Parks. Ken Burns justly calls The National Park System "America's best idea" But, without Teddy Roosevelt and the Antiquities Act. the National Park System would never have become a world wide model for National Parks across the world.

National Parks are visited by tens of millions of American citizens every year, Along with millions of foreign tourists all of which ad to local jobs and economy,

As Teddy said about the Grand Canyon National Monument "Leave it as it is".
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Too late. unfortunately we already did. Be careful what you ask for.

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