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Old 03-20-2005, 07:48 PM   #15
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Jamie, that looks great. I had a little trouble with the wood when I pulled too hard. Maybe I can fix it. What did you use to clean the old sticky stuff off. Email me. Judy
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:24 PM   #16
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If it totally won't move, a last manoeuvre is to drill the screw out. It's rather like drilling out a rivet, aim to the center and drill in. Once you get through, the old screw will pull out (you'll want to use a bit slightly smaller than the screw shank).

Don't let the woman/man thing get to you too much. There are lots of women here who have really done a whole lot on working their airstreams. For me, DH has had to abandon trailer work to go back to school, so I've been on my own. On one side, it's nice being able to call him in when I"m clueless--but most of the times, I go online for advice he doesn't understand, anyways. Mostly the things that intimidate me is metalwork. But. then a member of my WBCCI unit told me one thing that really made me gain confidence...there's almost nothing you can screw up that is completely irreversable or at least compensateable. It may take some doing to reverse it, but it is probably better than doing nothing. So, I drilled out rivets, had a total fiasco refinishing the tub, ripped up the flooring, stripped the furniture, put in new faucets (yes, plumbing, me!!!), even formica'd the shower... and the tub is mostly fixed and my trailer is starting to take shape! Now if I could only get the gumption to take a saw (ergh...what kind of saw???) to the bellypan....

Take heart and go for it!

argh.

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Old 03-20-2005, 09:09 PM   #17
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Now if I could only get the gumption to take a saw (ergh...what kind of saw???) to the bellypan....

Can't you drill out the rivets there too?
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Old 03-20-2005, 09:18 PM   #18
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I could (and tried to), but on longer consideration, I don't want to drop the whole pan. What I really want to do is to cut holes in the bottom. Then I can cover it with removeable sheets of flashing (aka, access panels) that screw back together. That will allow me to check out the frame at this point and access any problem areas in the future.

That said, I still lack courage. My best friend's fiance is a metal worker. He says I should just put on the safety glasses, take a sawzall in hand and let rip. Yeah. Right. Not my feeling at all.

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Old 03-20-2005, 10:45 PM   #19
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Hi,
I removed our belly pan. You could start with tin snips (they're metal scissors, sorry if you knew that) and cut out a piece and get some confidence, look at the frame, and then see what you want to do next. I have found that taking the job one small step at a time is best because then all of your plans pretty much go out the window and change. They don't necessarily get worse, they just change.

Do something small down there. Is your trailer up on jacks? We made little ramps out of 2 x 4's and pulled it up on them.

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Old 03-21-2005, 05:10 AM   #20
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Does everyone have to remove the belly pan? Does that sound stupid? I just see so many people on here saying they have done that and I haven't even considered it. I've been under the trailer and seen minimal rust on the visible frame which I am going to sand off and prime with "heavy rusted metal primer". There is no sign this trailer has ever leaked (is that possible) and when I pulled the carpet up, no water damage anywhere. I've looked in all the compartments and under everything and can see no signs. Should I cut through the belly pan just to look or do I need a better reason to get that drastic?
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Old 03-21-2005, 05:52 AM   #21
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try this one

juel

try an impact screw driver.

it is a tool that you loosen screws by hitting the back of it with a hammer!



they are available at any good hardware store. it is a tool of last resort before drilling. i have been able to remove phillips head screws that are completely stripped with mine.

tell your hubby to get you your own tools (or just go get them yourself!) when he gets back from the land of beer and cheese! what's he doing up here anyway?

i gave mrs. HD her own set of tools for her projects, and NO they are not pink!

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Old 03-21-2005, 06:58 AM   #22
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Judy, there is insulation between the floor and belly pan. You won't get a good look at the whole frame by cutting a hole. Dropping the pan is the best way to get a good view and to have room to work, if necessary.
The job is much easier with two people.
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Old 03-21-2005, 07:09 AM   #23
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who needs color when you have a-lu-min-i-um,num,num...
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Old 03-21-2005, 07:11 AM   #24
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I've actually tried these things.

I only wanted to drop the pan in the front. I drilled out all the rivets in the front rim, dropped the trim and realized that I would have to drill out rivets holding the front frame members to drop it.

I really don't want to go down that path to just inspect the front edge. I had a couple of experienced airstream restorers from my unit by and they confirmed my instinct not to proceed down that path, at least for what I want to accomplish. As far as dropping the whole pan, I don't want to have to try to reattach it at this stage.

So, I started replacing the rivets (I still have to reattach the trim) and considered what I wanted to do. Access panels appeal because they could help in the future if I need to work underneath ever again. I already used a drill to start a hole (well, actually a series of holes) to start using tin snips, but at least on my belly pan, the metal is way too thick for tin snips. A saw is the way to go. It's just pretty darn intimidating. But I don't need to do it right now...

No, btw, there's no reason to drop the belly pan unless there's a reason for doing it! It's a pain in the neck to drop and from what I understand, very awkward to reattach. I noticed last year that there was a battery leak at the front of the unit that dripped down onto the frame. From what we can see, the damage appears minimal (there's a bit of non-sheet metal at the front that held the skin out that is partly eroded). It also hasn't shown signs of wierd flexing inside. Still, I want to look at the guts, cover the affected parts with Por-15, and get any neccessary welding done. So when things warm up, the saw is going to cut!

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Old 03-21-2005, 07:53 AM   #25
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rivets and tools

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tell your hubby to get you your own tools (or just go get them yourself!) when he gets back from the land of beer and cheese! what's he doing up here anyway?

i gave mrs. HD her own set of tools for her projects, and NO they are not pink!
john hd -- I like your thinking! I can see that Mother's Day gifts are going to be totally different now that I'm working on our Airstream.

Can I butt in with a question about rivets and tools? I noticed lots of little interior rivets when I was cleaning the vinyl off the interior panels yesterday. Is there a good way to take these out and replace missing rivets? What kind of tool do you use? Where do you get these rivets? If this has already been discussed at length somewhere and I missed it, could someone suggest some search words? Thanks!

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Old 03-21-2005, 08:18 AM   #26
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By the way FireflyinVA. Have you ever tried to use a sawsall? Well I have and it's a challange. I ended up doing more damage than good. I tried to cut out the rotted floor in a rental trailer I own (excuse me-mobile home) and it was a nightmare. Those things will beat you to death. I bought a really good, small Porter-Cable one, but I just could not handle it. Good luck

Hey John, tell me about those little rivets too. I want to remove some of them and then replace when I've fixed what I'm after.
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Old 03-21-2005, 08:28 AM   #27
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I once used a rented sawzall a couple of years ago, when we put a hole in the roof of our house to put in a chimney...We took turns with it and it was tough. I don't like the idea of using this on my back, either! That's why I'm trying to find a better kind of saw. I'd like to use a small rotating saw, but I don't know if that would work. The other thing that occured to me is whether there might be a large enough dremel-type tool to do this. It would take longer, but I'd feel much more in control. Plus I wouldn't be fighting it.

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Old 03-21-2005, 09:43 AM   #28
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This thread is BLASPHEMY!

How do you spell blasphemy? And is it really a word? Oh, I won't worry my pretty little head about that......

(please place tongue in cheek)
You're blowing our cover! IF men catch on to the fact that we ARE capable of "man's work", well, then we'll be expected to do it! Please, ladies. Sit on the couch, eat bon bons, whine a bit, struggle to lift that jar you ask your man to open for you and enjoy being the smarter sex who is more than capable of performing menial tasks (like spelling perhaps? Tehe).......if we have to. They get done much easier if we convince our men that we couldn't possibly lift that, unscrew that, or have the intelligence to operate a power tool. (you know how difficult those are)

Hats (or tiaras) off to you ladies doing beautiful work on your trailers! Well done.
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